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Old 06-21-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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One of the phrases flung around is that someone’s views will place them on the wrong side of history. This tends to be a progressive’s argument to a conservative when they resist change in traditional cultural norms. But, how do they know what will be seen as the “wrong side of history” in the future? I doubt anyone in the past who engaged in activities we now see as wrong thought in the future people would condemn them. Matter of fact, I guarantee you, most thought they were morally justified.

I think there are some current “progressive” trends that have potential to be on the wrong side of history:
  • The destruction of history, primary sources, and art in the name of being PC
    • Of this one I have no doubt. We are behaving exactly like the Taliban, whom we rightfully condemned for destroying statues, paintings, and written works.
  • Abortion
    • If it later discovered fetus experience pain earlier than now believed, this one will be on the “we didn’t know better” list. I can also see where if the last minute, essentially on demand, late term abortion laws cropping up are implemented, this will be seen as allowing murder of infants.
  • Transgendered females being allowed to compete in women’s sports, especially regardless of transition status
    • This will eventually lead to the end of women’s sports, either literally or de facto, and that will likely be seen as a backstep in empowering women.
  • Children transitioning gender
    • The research, across cultures and across decades, shows that the vast majority (in most studies above 85%) by the end of puberty wind up content being their birth gender. The research in countries more progressive on transgenderism than ours have found those that suffer the greatest psychological issues in adulthood were those that socially transitioned as children but ended up wanting to remain their birth gender.
    • I would not be surprised at all if they discover most of the current very young supposedly transgendered children are in actuality the result of parents, particularly mothers, engaging in a form of psychological Munchausen by Proxy.
    • Aside from sterility, child physical transitioning may end up resulting in major negative health outcomes, but we don’t know. The current transitioning kids are being used as guinea pigs.
I could be wrong, of course. Anyone else have any?
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Progressives believe they have the right and duty to rewrite history, they'll put themselves on the right side in their minds no matter what the truth is.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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Progressives believe they have the right and duty to rewrite history, they'll put themselves on the right side in their minds no matter what the truth is.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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You raise valid points on some cultural issues. However, I can say with 100% certainty that Republicans will be on the wrong side of history with respect to climate change. Cultural issues are subjective, science is not. The hard facts, backed by solid science, is that man has fouled the climate. Extreme weather bolstered by global warming isn't an abstract theory; it's here, and it's starting to kill people.

Rejecting science and taking sides with the fossil fuel industry to bolster a populist anti-science campaign will not serve them well. And it will cost them a lot of support among a younger generation of voters who are rightfully concerned about the state of the world they will inherit.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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good post OP.

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Progressives believe they have the right and duty to rewrite history, they'll put themselves on the right side in their minds no matter what the truth is.
you know it. don’t expect introspection from the ‘woke’ left.

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You raise valid points on some cultural issues. However, I can say with 100% certainty that Republicans will be on the wrong side of history with respect to climate change. Cultural issues are subjective, science is not. The hard facts, backed by solid science, is that man has fouled the climate. Extreme weather bolstered by global warming isn't an abstract theory; it's here, and it's starting to kill people.

Rejecting science and taking sides with the fossil fuel industry to bolster a populist anti-science campaign will not serve them well. And it will cost them a lot of support among a younger generation of voters who are rightfully concerned about the state of the world they will inherit.
leftists reject science when they insist that gender is a matter of how one ‘identifies’, rather than one of of biology.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Elimination of free speech
Outright censorship
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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You raise valid points on some cultural issues. However, I can say with 100% certainty that Republicans will be on the wrong side of history with respect to climate change. Cultural issues are subjective, science is not. The hard facts, backed by solid science, is that man has fouled the climate. Extreme weather bolstered by global warming isn't an abstract theory; it's here, and it's starting to kill people.

Rejecting science and taking sides with the fossil fuel industry to bolster a populist anti-science campaign will not serve them well. And it will cost them a lot of support among a younger generation of voters who are rightfully concerned about the state of the world they will inherit.
Anyone not falling for the current solution which is a scam to transfer wealth out of the US will be on the right side of history !!!
The science will be less of the issue if the solution has no reasonable results. One country being weakened and disadvantaged won't change the rest of the world. Those countries that buy in to the current solution are not able to meet their commitments currently. What will history say about them ? IDK, but the present says they don't have a clue !!! Those that will be on the right side of history see the solution being offered is the back door for the entry of socialism and eventually communism.

Good job OP !!! Interesting thread put out in an interesting way !!! Real issues !!!
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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How about Climate change? That has been a hotly debated topic since it first became a thing, thanks Al Gore... Global Warming, Global Cooling, or whatever they are calling it these days has been a political talking point that has galvanized people on both sides of the issue. The thing is climate change is a political view largely held up by Democrats as fact and our kids have been indoctrinated to tears that Polar Bears and Penguins will all be dead soon and cities like Miami will be underwater.



Imagine if it was finally determined that humans have very little to do with the warming planet and it is actually a natural process and all the fear mongering was for nothing?
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Somehow education has to enter the arena on the wrong side of history !!!

Teaching students what to think and not how to think is on the wrong side of history with what is beneficial !!! We should all agree on that !!! No doubt we won't but we should !!!

Supporting independent thought and the right to express it is on the right side of history !!!
In fact that has been the history of America from the beginning !!!
That is being challenged and the challenge will be on the wrong side of history !!!

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Old 06-21-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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leftists reject science when they insist that gender is a matter of how one ‘identifies’, rather than one of of biology.

This talking point confuses gender and sex. They are two different things. Science is clear: there are only two biological sexes in humans. I have never heard or read a liberal or anyone else debate that. Gender is not the same; as you say, it is a psychological matter dealing with self-acceptance and all that.

And science is not unanimously accepting new gender definitions.
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