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Old 06-25-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Originally Posted by RowingFiend View Post
If all these liberals who doubt American exceptionalism would just leave, everyone would be happier and better off. Please leave.
This is what I don't get. If somebody doesn't like the United States, then why live in this country? Go create your utopia somewhere else. The world is a HUGE place.

Let the people who love the United States live here in peace. We don't want it to change at all.

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Old 06-25-2019, 08:28 AM
 
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This is what I don't get. If somebody doesn't like the United States, then why live in this country? Go create your utopia somewhere else. The world is a HUGE place.

Let the people who love the United States live here in peace. We don't want it to change at all.
That's a logical fallacy you're making right there.

No one is saying they don't love their homeland or indeed, even foreigners saying they don't love or admire the U.S. What they're saying quite clearly is that Americans saying the U.S. is exceptional, with the implied assumption it is exceptional on the 'positive' scale as compared to all other countries is incorrect.

Living in the U.S. in peace is something only Americans can aspire to but should not be premised upon, or defined by not being challenged when the rest of the world is subject to the constant braggadocio of some Americans claiming they're special and superior.

Other opinions are as relevant.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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The divine right of kings was repudiated long before the U.S. became a country.
Yawn...Tell that to the Romanovs (1613-1917) and the Bourbons (1589-1792)
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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No one is saying they don't love their homeland or indeed, even foreigners saying they don't love or admire the U.S. What they're saying quite clearly is that Americans saying the U.S. is exceptional, with the implied assumption it is exceptional on the 'positive' scale as compared to all other countries is incorrect.
We are not impressed with misleading statistics and historical revisionism that try to show the United States as being something lesser than it actually is. All the while ignoring all the positive things about the United States.

It is pretty easy to see through it.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:43 AM
 
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I see.

Here is example of someone that was criminally charged, 9-0 in favor of the cross burner.

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https://legaldictionary.net/r-a-v-v-city-of-st-paul/

A number of teenagers burned a wooden cross, made out of chair legs, on an African-American family’s lawn. The police charged R.A.V., one of the teenagers involved, with the St. Paul, Minnesota, Bias-Motivated Crime Ordinance, a type of hate-crime ordinance. The ordinance makes it a misdemeanor to display a symbol that one knows “arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender.” R.A.V. challenged the hate-crime ordinance on constitutional grounds.
They could of been charged with something else like trespassing, risking a catastrophe etc.

If you look up the "fighting words" doctrine you cited you'll see that subsequent SCOTUS decisions like this one have narrowed it considerably.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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This is what I don't get. If somebody doesn't like the United States, then why live in this country? Go create your utopia somewhere else. The world is a HUGE place.

Let the people who love the United States live here in peace. We don't want it to change at all.
It makes some people feel better if they can find fault. The liberal's mantra of "My Country's Always Wrong" is nothing but their declaration of intellectual superiority.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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It makes some people feel better if they can find fault. The liberal's mantra of "My Country's Always Wrong" is nothing but their declaration of intellectual superiority.
It's just a manifestation of their p3n1$ envy - same as the Canadian posters on here - they feel the need to disparage the US to compensate for their own "shortcomings" as it were.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:02 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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It's just a manifestation of their p3n1$ envy - same as the Canadian posters on here - they feel the need to disparage the US to compensate for their own "shortcomings" as it were.
Yep, I work with a guy from Mexico and all he does is take cheap shots at American culture. He clearly has an inferiority complex about it.

I joked once and said, Yeah, "I don't see Mexico having a space program anytime soon." LOL.

I think in all fairness we do sorta toot our own horn a bit, but whatever, Im not bashing America really just sorta pointing out that sometimes we do have a bit of an attitude at times.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:05 AM
 
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This is what I don't get. If somebody doesn't like the United States, then why live in this country? Go create your utopia somewhere else. The world is a HUGE place.

Let the people who love the United States live here in peace. We don't want it to change at all.
Because leaving isn't always an option for people. And thankfully for millions, the US HAS changed over time. Otherwise there would only be white men in power, able to vote, have rights, etc.

Unfortunately, even those of us who love our country have found we can't live here in peace. There are too many destructive properties at work, trying to turn back the progress that has been made. It's not peaceful when you have to scratch to reclaim the ground that was gained.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
We are not impressed with misleading statistics and historical revisionism that try to show the United States as being something lesser than it actually is. All the while ignoring all the positive things about the United States.

It is pretty easy to see through it.
You don't make a business, team, nation, whatever better by spending all of your time talking about what it does right. You make it better by talking and working to fix what is fundamentally wrong about it. Droning on about America's perceived exceptionalism is nothing more then a monumental waste of time and a cheap excuse to avoid discussing its many inherit flaws.
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