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View Poll Results: Socialism vs. 4 More Years of Trump
Socialism 60 75.95%
4 More Years of Trump 19 24.05%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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The question in the title is pretty straight forward. If you're someone who can't stand Trump and believe anyone would be a better alternative than him, if the choice come 2020 is between someone like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, who would you vote for and why?

The reason I ask this question because there's already been at least one mainstream talking head (Joe Scarborough) who admitted that he would vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders were the Democratic nominee, despite how much he loathes him and rails against him on his show. So I imagine he's not alone in feeling that way.
This is an absurd poll, with a fake dichotomy. Luckily, Bernie Sanders has taken the curse off the word "socialism" - and I certainly know many people, including Republicans, who ignorantly rant against socialism, but would never dream of voting to eliminate their Medicare or Social Security benefits.

It's not a matter of Trump vs. Socialism. It's a matter of Trump vs. the rule of law. Trump vs. sanity/civility. Trump vs. a push for trustworthy elections. Trump vs. women's right to make decisions about their own bodies.

By the way, when was that example of Scarborough - now, or three years ago?

I didn't vote for Bernie - not because of the "socialism," but because I felt that he was unrealistic in his ideas and lacked the capacity for compromise, which is essential to workable politics.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:02 PM
 
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This is an absurd poll, with a fake dichotomy. Luckily, Bernie Sanders has taken the curse off the word "socialism" - and I certainly know many people, including Republicans, who ignorantly rant against socialism, but would never dream of voting to eliminate their Medicare or Social Security benefits.

It's not a matter of Trump vs. Socialism. It's a matter of Trump vs. the rule of law. Trump vs. sanity/civility. Trump vs. a push for trustworthy elections. Trump vs. women's right to make decisions about their own bodies.

By the way, when was that example of Scarborough - now, or three years ago?

I didn't vote for Bernie - not because of the "socialism," but because I felt that he was unrealistic in his ideas and lacked the capacity for compromise, which is essential to workable politics.
Medicaid is a good example of socialism, but I dont think that social security and Medicare are very good examples of it. Especially social security, where how much you get back is based on what you paid. But also, with both, it doesn’t matter how wealthy you are, you still get to collect. And why wouldn’t you, after paying into it your entire working life?
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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This is an absurd poll, with a fake dichotomy. Luckily, Bernie Sanders has taken the curse off the word "socialism" - and I certainly know many people, including Republicans, who ignorantly rant against socialism, but would never dream of voting to eliminate their Medicare or Social Security benefits.

It's not a matter of Trump vs. Socialism. It's a matter of Trump vs. the rule of law. Trump vs. sanity/civility. Trump vs. a push for trustworthy elections. Trump vs. women's right to make decisions about their own bodies.

By the way, when was that example of Scarborough - now, or three years ago?

I didn't vote for Bernie - not because of the "socialism," but because I felt that he was unrealistic in his ideas and lacked the capacity for compromise, which is essential to workable politics.
You didn't answer the question, and apparently didn't read the OP/responses.

I'll repeat. If the choice were between Bernie Sanders and Trump, who would you vote for? In other words, you only have two choices (pick one).

It's also funny that similar threads with polls of Joe Biden vs. Trump didn't get nearly as mamy people who were being obtuse about the objective of the thread.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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Just shows how FAR LEFT some Democrats have become today. There is no United States without at least the modified, regulated Capitalist system that we currently have. Why not just either repeal the entire Constitution and start over, or Amend it to the point where it has no ability to protect natural rights of which is private property ownership rights, and trade.

Absolute insanity, and I am appalled by those who voted for Socialism. I'm also ashamed of you as Americans.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:49 AM
 
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I'd vote for Sanders. Nothing would get done because the Senate would block it.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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Just shows how FAR LEFT some Democrats have become today. There is no United States without at least the modified, regulated Capitalist system that we currently have. Why not just either repeal the entire Constitution and start over, or Amend it to the point where it has no ability to protect natural rights of which is private property ownership rights, and trade.

Absolute insanity, and I am appalled by those who voted for Socialism. I'm also ashamed of you as Americans.



All because gas is expensive. If we never went to Iraq, oil would be 25 dollars a barrel and everything would be humming along.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I find this poll difficult to believe. I wonder how many really understand that liberal welfare policies, such as found in many of the “free market” Scandinavian economies, are not the same thing as socialism....which is what the poll is asking.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Instead of cash for clunkers, we should do cash for gas guzzlers, and only if it goes towards something fuel efficient.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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All because gas is expensive. If we never went to Iraq, oil would be 25 dollars a barrel and everything would be humming along.
Even with the recent increase due to Iran, oil, and all energy products are relatively inexpensive especially adjusted for inflation. We have had much higher energy prices in the past. We are in a period of prosperity and low unemployment yet the Democrats are calling for a continuation of FDR like we were in a Deperession.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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Even with the recent increase due to Iran, oil, and all energy products are relatively inexpensive especially adjusted for inflation. We have had much higher energy prices in the past. We are in a period of prosperity and low unemployment yet the Democrats are calling for a continuation of FDR like we were in a Deperession.

Yeah but 99 cent gas a gallon would help a lot of people.
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