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Aren’t they free to leave? They would just have to go back rather than enter our country. That, in itself, should nullify any attempts to compare this to concentration camps or slavery. They still retain free will.
What “free will” do these children have?
How would they “go back?”
They’ve been separated from their parents and many will, thanks to the administration, never see them again.
Elementary school-aged children are being forced to care for toddlers and infants they aren’t related to.
Their clothes and medications are taken from them and they are refused medical care.
They are forced to sleep on concrete flooring with no blankets.
You know what OP?
Their treatment actually does sound a heck of a lot like what happened to the slaves.
What cruel responses? Pointing out that going an overnight without toothpaste is not as bad as being marched into the gas chamber?
Stay on topic, or this thread will end up merged. The point is: comparing detained migrants (who came voluntarily) to slaves is just as abhorrent as comparing them to Nazi-era Jews in concentration camps. Yet for some reason, liberals are not making the slavery comparison, and why? Because it would be insulting to black people! Just as the other comparison is insulting to Jews. And yet, when I as a Jew have objected to the comparison, I have been met with the most vile language you can imagine.
If you think for a second that this discussion is about "kids going overnight without toothpaste" then surely nothing I say will get you to understand what we are doing to children is abhorrent.
I believe this child separation policy is not who we are as a country. It is wrong to treat children the way we are.
Think for a second how these kids must feel & think what they will feel 20 years from now & what does that create? IMO another generation of people who hate our country. Whether one is a R or D should not matter. As Americans we should ALL be appalled at what we are doing to children. period.
Now you're comparing Jews fleeing a government that was systematically trying to exterminate them to poor people coming up from Central America??
These insulting comparisons have to stop. I wish my grandfather could have told you what his life was like under Nazism. I can guarantee you he didn't get three meals a day, toys, and a soccer field to run around in.
Not at all.
I'm saying that knowing history is best.
Please don't lecture me on nazism.
You're the one who seems to need a hierarchy in pain. Another poster said it very well.
I would hope that this background you have would have made you more understanding and well.... compassionate and human.
Nevertheless, you didn't adress the point : the USA DID refuse jewish refugees, thousands of them. How do you deal with that ?
It's difficult dealing with Vichy and I just wonder about your rationalization.
If you think for a second that this discussion is about "kids going overnight without toothpaste" then surely nothing I say will get you to understand what we are doing to children is abhorrent.
I believe this child separation policy is not who we are as a country. It is wrong to treat children the way we are.
Think for a second how these kids must feel & think what they will feel 20 years from now & what does that create? IMO another generation of people who hate our country. Whether one is a R or D should not matter. As Americans we should ALL be appalled at what we are doing to children. period.
So what are we supposed to do? Adults arrive without prior permission to immigrate and on some (usually) ineligible claim of asylum, with kids they claim to be their own in tow. Should we build or rent apartments for entire families, in addition to all the other expenses of supporting them? They are coming in at the rate of 20,000 per WEEK!
If the parents don't like how they and their children are being detained, they are free to go back to Mexico and accept their offer of asylum there. Nobody is being held against their will. In fact, I'd say anyone arriving from Mexico who originated in a CA country should immediately be sent back. They do not qualify for asylum.
You're the one who seems to need a hierarchy in pain. Another poster said it very well.
I would hope that this background you have would have made you more understanding and well.... compassionate and human.
Nevertheless, you didn't adress the point : the USA DID refuse jewish refugees, thousands of them. How do you deal with that ?
It's difficult dealing with Vichy and I just wonder about your rationalization.
No. You don't get it. Try to take off your liberal blinders and understand my point:
It's not about a hierarchy of pain. This thread was to point out how comparing Nazi concentration camps to detention facilities is a horrendous insult to Jews, particularly Jewish survivors and their families, but that liberals (some anyway) continue to draw a parallel despite the insult to Jews - and that they have not made any comparisons to the horrific conditions under which slaves lived.
That is because they KNOW how outrageous and insulting such a comparison would be to blacks, particularly blacks who can remember a grandparent who was a slave. Thus, liberals avoid such a comparison so as not to offend blacks, but are willing to defend a similarly outrageous comparison when it involves Jews' suffering.
Capiche?
(I will get to your point about the Jewish refugees in a sec.)
You're the one who seems to need a hierarchy in pain. Another poster said it very well.
I would hope that this background you have would have made you more understanding and well.... compassionate and human.
Nevertheless, you didn't adress the point : the USA DID refuse jewish refugees, thousands of them. How do you deal with that ?
It's difficult dealing with Vichy and I just wonder about your rationalization.
To your point about the Jewish refugees, again....the comparison is insulting and insensitive.
These Jews were fleeing their OWN government that was systematically rounding them up and exterminating them, and, prior to that, was persecuting them based on religion. That qualifies for asylum, but FDR (a Democrat, duh) refused them entry.
That is not the same as these migrants. They are not being rounded up by their government for extermination, nor are they being persecuted based on religion (or politics). They are just POOR. (Although I see that many of them have cell phones and expensive sneakers.) Thus, they need to apply for immigration, from their home country, and wait until they get approval. It is the mass disregard for our immigration laws, and the fact that 90% are coming in with ineligible claims, to which I object.
And before you say I am inhumane and lacking in compassion, I am suggesting the same process by which my grandmother's family came here in the early 20th century. They did so legally, although the process did take over a year.
I’ll go on record and say that I really don’t give a damn how hard life is in our immigrant camps. In fact, I think making it as spartan and unpleasant an experience as possible could possibly result in an eventual trickle effect that cuts down on the number of people showing up to be fed, clothed, and medicated on our dime. My compassion is about all gone now.
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