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Originally Posted by AtkinsonDan
Yes I do. Communism is state control of the means of production or economy, and some states are slowly moving in that direction with the creation of large government programs displacing private enterprise and/or increasingly anti-business regulations, policies and rhetoric. None of them will ever be fully communist (DUH) because they are under the US Constitution but I was never writing about that.
Communist government is the ultimate big government and some states have bigger government than others. Which one(s) are moving in that direction is the question proposed.
I have a question. The u.s. government is the largest employer in America. They produce paper pushers.
What would some one call that government? Dangerous asking for schooling, I know.
Well, the answer is - Donald Trump State - since he is making government incredibly larger (that's what more borrowing does) and manipulating virtually every part of the economy - giving tens of billions to soybean farmers as one example........
Of course, your paragraph above makes zero sense to anyone who can read.....
1. State control of production.....??? So do have the Ma. Steel Works and RR car factory in our state? I don't think the state "makes" anything, except perhaps license plates in prisons...
2. Displacing Private Enterprise....basic math as I said in my last post. The states you mentioned have the BEST private enterprise making the most money for the populace......................
The traditional definition of Communism is that the state controls the means of production....however, I believe someone once said..."history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."
The traditional view of Communism where the state controls "the means of production" is obsolete, the current Chinese model of Communism is in force.
I live in eastern Washington, a conservative Republican controlled stronghold. I get my electricity, water, sewer, cable TV, internet and phone service from the local county government. ALL those services were opposed by the Democrats in western Washington representing the corporate interests.
In China, the corporations and Government are ONE. Just like they are in Washington, Oregon and California.
Currently, the Governor of Oregon called at the State Police to track down the Republican members of the Oregon Legislature so that they can be forced to appear in Salem and have a quorum. The Oregon cap and trade bill gives tax exemptions to cap and trade to the corporations while requiring the small businesses to pay the tax. And she needs a quorum to legally pass the bill, so she is REQUIRING the Republican legislators to show up and save the Corporate-Government Industrial Complex.
Likewise in Washington state, the liberals in western Washington gave billion dollar tax breaks to Boeing, Microsoft, Amazon, Paccar, Weyerhauser and other western Washington corporations while at the same time refusing to allow eastern Washington counties the right to build municipal broadband systems with their own monies!!!
I won't get into Apple and the Silicon Valley companies in California, but you get the drift.
So yes....California, Oregon and Washington are well on their way to a "CHINESE COMMUNIST" government structure where the CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENT work hand in hand to "oppress the people"....damn I knew that UC Berkeley education would come in useful....if only for the quotes!!!
Communism advocates a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. Not even close.
Finally someone who understands what he is talking about
One correction though: not "all property", but "all business property". And even this is just an approximation to the way things were understood at the conception of the idea. The main goal was to avoid having one person privatizing the (all or some) results of work of another person, i.e. prevent exploitation. Quite an opposite of "welfare" , if you think about it. Actually, those opposing welfare, are pro-communists, however ironic this might be
This happens when people don't know definitions, and rely on propaganda instead
No exactly. By definition, communism is class-less. Then, as a consequence, there is no need to have an oppression mechanism (which state is, by definition of communist classics) of one class over another. And as such, there is no need for the state. So, it's a result, but not the cause or basis.
Actually, communism is an ideal system, far superior to any.
There is only one problem: it requires ideal people. Or, better say, angels.
Guess how much chances it has to be implemented in the real world
And, by the way, all countries that had label "communist" never were a such, or even close.
Soviet Union was a government business monopoly, i.e. not even a socialist state (well, with the exception of Stalin time, when in a brief moment of ~1949 to 1953 it was a true socialist state).
China and some other Asian countries are actually an autocratic capitalism with the label of "communism" (think of it as a trademark that has nothing to do with the actual content).
Middle Eastern ones (and NK) always were dictatorships no matter the label they had then or have now.
Cuba was the closest of them all to be called "socialist" for prolonged period of time, but, or course, it never was "communist".
The closest ones that ever came to be socialist countries from the other spectrum are Scandinavian ones (Sweden & Finland).
So, please use the term carefully with understanding what it means, and what was in reality implemented under that label.
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