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First I’ll concede right off the bat that OF COURSE this isn’t a scientific experiment and I’m not claiming that this proves anything scientifically.
That said, a guy, presumably an Israeli, goes around asking random people what they think about Iran and Iranians in general. The responses were quite telling.
For one, I’m at least slightly bemused at how dispassionate Israelis are about Iran in this clip. None seem to harbor any real animus toward Iran or the Iranian people. A few have something to say about the Iranian government that’s certainly dispositive, but no vehemence was displayed even in those comments. Nearly all say that they have nothing against the Iranian people, and the ones that had casual contact with Iranians at some point or another seemed to come away with positive feelings. And I was also struck by the comments encouraging Iranians to come visit Israel. None of these people feel threatened from what I can see.
Keep in mind that unlike Americans, who live in a nation with huge oceans on each side and no threats within thousands of miles, Israelis don’t live in a bubble. They are acutely aware of their surroundings and their hemisphere. Their lives depend on it. Yet, here they are sounding very equanimous about their so called biggest foe...according to OUR media and government.
So I have to wonder, why are Americans carrying more hostility towards Iran over Israel than Israelis themselves? What’s that all about?
At least a few former members and maybe even a few present members of Israel’s intelligence apparatus have said that Iran isn’t a threat and this whole thing is being pushed way outta proportion.
So what’s this all about? Why do Americans feel the need to put on a cape for non Americans. It hasn’t missed me that the two ships that were attacked were Japanese and Norwegian, and yet those nations have said absolutely NOTHING hostile relative to Iran? So why is it our job to get angry for them? What’s behind this whole “we’ve gotta get Iran” nonsense that’s so pervasive in the conservative American mentality? And don’t say that it’s got nothing to do with conservatism because Fox News is pushing this narrative super hard. :
Iran is going to lose... I am not sure about your constant whining about what is inevitably going to happen... The real reason that you are upset is that Trump is going to be successful and you hate it... Iran has been a problem with the US for decades and they fund many anti-American activities... A country does that and you anti-Trumpers say you didn't see anything... Right... No US president has seen the problem with Iran before... And the US Intel for decades should be ignored now...
Iran is going to lose... I am not sure about your constant whining about what is inevitably going to happen... The real reason that you are upset is that Trump is going to be successful and you hate it... Iran has been a problem with the US for decades and they fund many anti-American activities... A country does that and you anti-Trumpers say you didn't see anything... Right... No US president has seen the problem with Iran before... And the US Intel for decades should be ignored now...
Why not? It's not as though the U.S. intelligence community hasn't been ignored over far worse activities.
The Saudis have also funded terrorist acts directly on U.S. soil; what say you about them?
Over those years the Iranian regime has been unrelentingly hostile, and the US has returned the favor.
But outright hostilities have never broken out, despite the desire of DC chickenhawks like Bolton and now Pompeo.
That’s true.
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Iran is going to lose... I am not sure about your constant whining about what is inevitably going to happen... The real reason that you are upset is that Trump is going to be successful and you hate it... Iran has been a problem with the US for decades and they fund many anti-American activities... A country does that and you anti-Trumpers say you didn't see anything... Right... No US president has seen the problem with Iran before... And the US Intel for decades should be ignored now...
Iran already punked Trump.
Get real.
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Before then, the west turned on the Shah before the revolution. Just look at BBC, CBS, CNN, and others report before the 70s.
The shah had brought oil prices up as he was having his own problems domestically, the Americans worked with the Saudis to tank prices.
By the time of the revolution we wanted Khomeini in power.
A lot of people don’t realize that the United States has NEVER wanted secular democracy/nationalism in the Middle East because the people tend to elect people that won’t let is rob the country blind.
First I’ll concede right off the bat that OF COURSE this isn’t a scientific experiment and I’m not claiming that this proves anything scientifically.
So I have to wonder, why are Americans carrying more hostility towards Iran over Israel than Israelis themselves? What’s that all about?
Those interviewed in the video showed all had positive or semi ambivalent feelings about Iranian people, but called out the Iranian govt.
OK.
What interviews didnt they show?
I lived in Israel myself for several years, on the western side by the sea in a city called Herzliya, I worked in Tel Aviv. Everybody in those interviews, by dress and accents certianly seemed to be from the same area I had lived in. Even while rockets were raining down from Gaza and the Golan Heights in 2014 when I lived there, Israelis from that part of Israel (western) had the same type of attitudes toward Palestinians as they do toward Iranians in the video. They thought most of the people are trapped but decent, but their govt sucks (I did not necessarily agree though on a personal level).
Go to eastern Israel near the west bank, and around Jerusalem, the tone certianly changed. Same tiny country, different attitudes.
I suspect it may be the same regarding Iran (Israelis everywhere know Iranian ordance and technology is being used against them by Gaza, from the west bank and even from Lebanon)
So much for the video, IMO.
I also highly suspect that many Americans that see the video here, and tend to sympathize with the selected Israelis that were interviewed in it, would also agree with the BDS movement, although it's goal is to restrict or even crush Israelis in business trying to make a living.
That all said, I agree with the Israelis interviewed regarding most Iranian people. Decent people, their govt sucks. I also worked in Armenia often from 2014-1016, and met many decent Iranians while there.
Saudi Arabia certainly has its own issues but the topic is Iran... If you want to talk about other countries, you can start that thread.. Iran is over... No matter what you want...
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