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View Poll Results: Contries should protect their own oil tankers
YES 33 84.62%
NO 6 15.38%
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
So you think the American taxpayer should pay for protecting the world's shipping? That only AMerican lives should be put on the line to do so? That we should be the world's "policeman" and no other country should do a thing?
No one asked US to be the world police man. Trump is acting as one because he wants to. As a matter of fact for decades both Americans and foreign countries have been wondering why US insists on playing the police. Trump asked for more spending on crap like this, and his loyalists cheered, and now Trump complains about it, so they feel compelled to complain as well. Nothing new under the sun. Just a bunch of minions dancing to the music.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:21 AM
 
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Really?




You want destroyers and Submarines from 15 different countries with oil tankers, freight ships passing through a narrow strait in the Middle East?


Supporting that policy would mean the Militaries of Iran, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Denmark, USA, China, South Korea, Germany, UK are all in one tight area within International waters guarding their oil tankers and ships? No nothing bad could come from that.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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So you think the American taxpayer should pay for protecting the world's shipping? That only AMerican lives should be put on the line to do so? That we should be the world's "policeman" and no other country should do a thing?

LOL, if Trump wasn't such a moron and if he hadn't alienated our allies, we would have a coalition now. But you and other Trumpers mock alliances so these chickens have come home to roast.


Furthermore, it is Trump's actions and rhetoric that has greatly caused this crisis. Now in typical Trumpian fashion, it is everyone else's fault.


Having said that you must not be watching the news how our Navy is crisscrossing the straits between China and Taiwan and the Philippines. We are doing that to protect open sea lanes.


I guess you can express your outrage here to.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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LOL, if Trump wasn't such a moron and if he hadn't alienated our allies, we would have a coalition now. But you and other Trumpers mock alliances so these chickens have come home to roast.
Furthermore, it is Trump's actions and rhetoric that has greatly caused this crisis. Now in typical Trumpian fashion, it is everyone else's fault.
Having said that you must not be watching the news how our Navy is crisscrossing the straits between China and Taiwan and the Philippines. We are doing that to protect open sea lanes.
I guess you can express your outrage here to.
The irony has to be seen to be believed.


Meanwhile, Trump, of course, is 100% right again.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: NC
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So you think the American taxpayer should pay for protecting the world's shipping? That only AMerican lives should be put on the line to do so? That we should be the world's "policeman" and no other country should do a thing?

American Taxpayers pay all the time to protect private companies (Exxon, Chevron, etc...). At the end of the day, you paint it as a simple yes/no question, but it's not. You have to look at the effect of free flow of commodity oil and see how that affects US National Interest. Who owns the boat is so minor compared to the bigger picture.

The OP poses a simpleton question for simpleton lemmings to answer yes/no. It's not like that.

Trump says a lot of stupid crap. The day after the bombing, he also said "“If you look at the rhetoric now compared to the days when they were signing [the 2015 nuclear deal], where it was always ‘death to America, death to America, we will destroy America, we will kill America,’ I’m not hearing that too much anymore,”

The the following day, they shot one of our drones out of the sky, and Trump fumbled. First he ordered a strike, then he tweeted about it and called it off. Then after tweeting that he ordered a strike, he denied having ordered it. Then, he admitted to the world that he did not realize that ordering a strike results in casualties. The man is not fit for office. Whether he is right or wrong about protecting oil tankers is so irrelevant in the big picture.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Let the ship owner and cargo owner pay. Do they still pay the crews the minimum wage of the country they come from?

I have a relative who will no longer work on any ship not owned by Americans. It is hard to find a job. And he would never work on a tanker, even 30 years ago.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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Is Trump right again when he says countries should protect their own oil tankers ?

Seems reasonable !!! Doesn't it ?


Trump Says Countries Should Protect Their Own Oil Tankers
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-...s_2975975.html

President Donald Trump said on June 24 that foreign countries should protect their own oil tankers in the Middle East, suggesting that other countries have been relying too heavily on the United States to ensure the safe passage of their oil around the world without giving back.
He's right on this.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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In simple terms, sure seems odd that the USA has to be there to protect the oil for other countries.

But is the USA there just to protect other countries?

I suspect Trump is being filled in on some of the reasons other than the obvious one of protecting the oil for others as we speak.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Yes he is
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Really?

You want destroyers and Submarines from 15 different countries with oil tankers, freight ships passing through a narrow strait in the Middle East?

Supporting that policy would mean the Militaries of Iran, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Denmark, USA, China, South Korea, Germany, UK are all in one tight area within International waters guarding their oil tankers and ships? No nothing bad could come from that.
Generally speaking, a ship in a port should be protected by that nation.

All nations have an interest in protecting safe shipping on the high seas, but the US took the lead for that during the 20th century (as Great Britain largely had during the 19th century) because the US had the greatest interest--not because the US was being a White Knight.

In the 21st century, China has taken a certain role in the areas where they have an interest in maintaining safe shipping traffic, particularly in the South China Sea, the Indian Ocean, and extending to the Horn of Africa. A lot of us who were paying attention sat up straight when China sent a naval fleet through the Suez into the Med. That was the epoch of a sea change in Chinese naval intent and capability.

If Iran is poking holes in ships carrying Saudi oil, that's part of the 1400-year-long Sunni-Shiite war. Americans need to realize that a long undercurrent of local shenanigans is involved.

Americans should also realize that the US is still tied up in Nixon's 1972 "petrodollar" agreement to be Saudi Arabia's bodyguard because the Saudis only accept US dollars for their oil.

The US needs to make a hard decision about whether the nation needs to be drawn into Saudi Arabia's war...because that's what all this is actually about.
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