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You do not have free speech on the job. Check your company employee policy and/or contract. In mine we can be disciplined, up to and including termination, for use of profanity, for example.
You do not have free speech on the job. Check your company employee policy and/or contract. In mine we can be disciplined, up to and including termination, for use of profanity, for example.
The cop did get fired in form of retirement.
But some posters believe they should take away his pension after 25 years of service. That’s a little over the top.
I can hardly understand why calling the president the N word would lead to a person losing his or her pension. Where’s the proportionality in that? What’s next? Death penalty for Jaywalking?
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1
Way out of proportion. Most people have an inability to see that if you demand excessive retaliation for someone offending your side, group, or icon you are asking for the same thing to happen to you in the future.
I read carefully the posts leading up to this, and I don't see where anyone suggested that he lose his pension. So these are classic examples of 'straw man.'
I can't say exactly what the penalty should be. It should be based on written policy, contract, and past practice.
I can say that the penalty should not be zero. We can't have an officer of the law showing such open disdain for the elected POTUS. And BTW also showing disdain for the 14th and 15th amendments of the Constitution, which is supposed to be the law of the land.
I don't think anyone using the N word should be allowed to remain on the police force, but it sounds like they did the right thing by trying to at least suspend him. It's not on the CPD that he fought it and it dragged on for three years, and it's not on the CPD that when they were finally able to proceed with the suspension - he retired.
It sounds like the CPD handled it the way they were supposed to, even though suspending a cop isn't enough, in my opinion.
Legal matters can drag on for years. What else could they have done?
All very true, except for the last sentence. They could have enacted public sector union reform many years ago in Illinois. When we just throw up our hands and shrug, this is what we end up with.
We had a somewhat similar case in Seattle a few years back, where a cop named Shandy Cobane yelled at a Hispanic suspect (who turned out to be innocent) "I'm going to beat the [f expletive] Mexican [p expletive] out of you homey. You feel me?"
The cop was demoted as discipline, but not fired. For pity's sake, if I said something like this to a co-worker, rest assured I would be fired, and would deserve it. That's the difference between private and public sectors.
The pension is a different matter; as Mathguy says, it is covered by contract and can't be voided unless contract language dictates such. We can be pretty sure that in a public sector union contract, such would not be dictated.
We also had a case here in WA where a sheriff's deputy was convicted of murder in an insurance fraud case, and collected a disability pension from behind bars. He argued that his depression due to his conviction rendered him unable to work as an officer (never mind that he was in state prison). The pension board bought it. The pension rules were subsequently changed to prevent a recurrence of this.
No police officer should get racial with anyone, period. I don't care what color it is and who it's being done to. Said officer was wrong, is wrong. Officers like that are not fit to serve the public. Serve and protect should be the mission. And no, I am not anti-police. I am against certain kinds of individuals being allowed to be police officers.
Some how I suspect that most of those looking for this racist cop's blood, also have no issue with certain members of congress making anti-white statements.
For example: If someone says I hate those God damned Black thieves. Moral outrage and bleeding hemorrhoids to follow.
If someone says I hate those God damned white thieves? Crickets chirping.
If someone says too many old (White) men in office. Crickets chirping.
The selective outrage for racist comments is amusing.
But hey, I was always taught when you use race as a qualifier in an insult it's a racist comment. It doesn't matter which race is used or targeted. Thats what I taught my kids as well.
True story . My son is African American. WE adopted him when he was a boy. My daughters are half Asian. My son hated doing math. One night I heard him arguing with my eldest daughter. He said " You're Asian, you are all supposed to be good at math. Just do my homework for me."
I didn't know what to say at first. LOL She was awesome at math...... But, she was also 2 grades behind my son.
Anyway Officer N word didn't like Obama. Many didn't and for good reasons. Obama and Holder, pretty much made it ok to target cops.
I disagreed with much of Obama's politics and policies, but I loved listening to him speak. I would make my kids watch him. I respected his abilities and disagreed respectfully. I learned that from an old white guy who was President. Ronald Reagan..
No police officer should get racial with anyone, period. I don't care what color it is and who it's being done to. Said officer was wrong, is wrong. Officers like that are not fit to serve the public. Serve and protect should be the mission. And no, I am not anti-police. I am against certain kinds of individuals being allowed to be police officers.
I agree with you. The problem is the people who turn a blind eye when its one of their own committing the offense or when it is about another.
We see people make excuses for AOC and others singling out old white people in office. First of all singling out old people. Second qualifying it by race.
Would you agree that it is wrong no matter what public servant does it and no matter what level of public service they hold?
I am pretty sure AOC and others like her have old white constituents as well as young minorities.
'Cracker' just really isn't that offensive a word since it pertains to who was actually throwing the whip and not who was taking the lashes.
He'd have to go with 'Peckerwood MF er' or something to get the desired backlash.
Eddie that isn't your call to make. Stay in your lane.
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