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Old 07-03-2019, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Was talking to people at work, and most of them didn't even know that July 3, 1988 downing of a Iranian airliner by the US military. 290 killed and 66 were children. Iran just had a ceremony of the anniversary of this yesterday. A shame the Pentagon tried to hide the mistake.

Mistakes happen. Which means Trump was right to not launch airstrikes. But those war-mongering Bolton and Pompeo might eventually get their way. The current regime, who is now struggling down to the penny, may actually want the US to attack to further build up their base and hate.


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-rememb...should-1445104
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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Was talking to people at work, and most of them didn't even know that July 3, 1988 downing of a Iranian airliner by the US military. 290 killed and 66 were children. Iran just had a ceremony of the anniversary of this yesterday. A shame the Pentagon tried to hide the mistake.

Mistakes happen. Which means Trump was right to not launch airstrikes. But those war-mongering Bolton and Pompeo might eventually get their way. The current regime, who is now struggling down to the penny, may actually want the US to attack to further build up their base and hate.


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-rememb...should-1445104
I think trump has some legitimate skills at foreign diplomacy. But he needs to get rid of Bolton especially, who will not add anything positive to trump’s style. Bolton will bomb and nuke anything and anyone, which is not what trump does. Get rid of Bolton, President trump because you’re beginning to impress me with you goofy style which actually has a method to their own madness. Just get rid of these evil warmongers. You don’t need them.
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Russia shot down a US passenger plane. Ukraine shot one down recently. It happens.
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The plane is nothing. The US backed Saddam in the Iran-Iraq War. We provided arms and chemical weapons that resulted in the death of a million Iranians.
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:00 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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When it comes to Iran, America truly is the Great Satan. We have gone out of way over and over again to make things as bad as possible for the Iranian people.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Google Operation Ajax...
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Was talking to people at work, and most of them didn't even know that July 3, 1988 downing of a Iranian airliner by the US military. 290 killed and 66 were children. Iran just had a ceremony of the anniversary of this yesterday. A shame the Pentagon tried to hide the mistake.
And, most of them don't know the US tried three times to murder Prime Minister Mossadeq for a heinous crime against humanity: Nationalizing While Non-White/Non-Christian.

Only White Christian nations like Britain and the Netherlands and Norway are allowed to have nationalized oil companies. For non-Whites or non-Christians it's a crime worse than genocide.

Having failed, the US then embarked on a propaganda smear campaign against Mossadeq and put him on trial in a kangaroo court on trumped up charges.

Then, when the Shah told Ambassador Bill Sullivan he was abdicating because he had pancreatic cancer and he didn't want his two sons to rule, the Shah and Sullivan agreed that Khomeini should be the next leader of Iran. Sullivan was holding secret back-door negotiations with Khomeini, who was living in Paris.

When the French DGSE find out, they leak this info, and that's what starts the demonstrations. The Shah was right to want to restore order before abdicating and handing over the reigns to Khomeini, but the only way the Shah knew how to end demonstrations was to use the military to brutally suppress them.

All Carter had to do was throw out the welcome mat for Khomeini and everything would have been fine.

Instead, Carter stupidly listens to his two psychopath neo-con advisors Gary Sick and Zbigneiw Brzezinski and sends General Huyser to convince Iranian army commanders to initiate a coup have the military take power.

When Khomeini arrives in Tehran, there's Huyser and the army officers. Khomeini knows the US is talking out of both sides of its neck and probably correctly guessed that he'd be targeted for assassination.

Whatever trust existed between the US and Khomeini evaporated right then and there.

Later, Khomeini executed all 7 of those army officers who met with Huyser, and also the head of the SAVAK who had tortured and murdered Iranians for decades.

Note that Carter's actions are an act of war, and using the embassy mission strips it of protections under the Vienna Convention, so the students were within their right to over-run the embassy mission and take it over.

Imagine if Clinton had been convicted, and before Al Gore was sworn in as President, the French sent an army officer to the US to convince the US military to take over the country.

What do you think Americans would do?

Americans would go on a rampage and destroy everything French in the US and even anything that sounded like it might be French. You still wouldn't be able to buy a bottle of French wine in the US today.

That just shows you how hypocritical Americans are.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Russia shot down a US passenger plane. Ukraine shot one down recently. It happens.

Let's see you say that if one of your family members is on a passenger plane such as those.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Was talking to people at work, and most of them didn't even know that July 3, 1988 downing of a Iranian airliner by the US military. 290 killed and 66 were children. Iran just had a ceremony of the anniversary of this yesterday. A shame the Pentagon tried to hide the mistake.

Mistakes happen. Which means Trump was right to not launch airstrikes. But those war-mongering Bolton and Pompeo might eventually get their way. The current regime, who is now struggling down to the penny, may actually want the US to attack to further build up their base and hate.


https://www.newsweek.com/iran-rememb...should-1445104
Is this supposed to make people feel bad for Iran so they can get the bomb and target their enemies ?
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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Is this supposed to make people feel bad for Iran so they can get the bomb and target their enemies ?
Frankly, given the American track record of double crossing the Iranians, and the general penchant for Americans to carry out regime change whenever it suits them, especially when the target country has no nukes (see Iraq and all other countries the us intervened or invaded), I wouldn’t blame the Iranians for wanting to have nukes. Having nukes is the only guarantee that the us will leave you alone and respect your sovereignty.
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