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Old 07-05-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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Again, in what nation or time period or any construct has there been people impervious to influence or corruption? You're arguing that human nature exists. I agree.

But I think you've exposed the real agenda here. The campaign against capitalism.
No, 3/4 of the posts in this thread are talking about people not depending on the government, so I am agreeing with them and am taking it one step further in saying Big Business and Banks should not be going to the government either.

How come you give a free pass to the corruption and influence by one segment and raise hell if another segment does it?
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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net worth of a million is just owning a house somewhere.
FALSE. That's not true unless the house is worth $1 million or more and there is no mortgage and/or HELOC owed on it. Net worth is assets minus liabilities. Mortgages and HELOcs are liabilities that must be subtracted from the value of the owned home.

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Thats not who rules America. If you think so, you're deluded. Its the billionaire class who rules America, and they make sure the system works for them and not for ordinary working stiffs. Thats why wages for the typical working man have stagnated for 40 years. Its not surprising. Its designed policy. The people you vote for take huge amounts of bribe money from the richest and most powerful people in the country. And these people also pay off the "opposition" you are told to hate. So they have full control of both horses in the race. This is the ruling class.
The point is that the system is NOT rigged. 80% of US millionaires (in net worth... that is, assets minus liabilities) are first-generation wealthy. That wouldn't be possible if the system were "rigged."

11.8 million households in the US have a net worth of $1+ million. 80% of those, 9.44 million, are first-generation wealthy. That means their parents did NOT have a net worth of $1 million or more. How are those 9.44 million households accumulating that much net worth on their own? Seems to me if 9.44 million households can do it, so can anyone else who actually makes the effort.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because of the big illegal alien teacher problem we have?

Besides, teaching is a government job. The wages are not subject to the supply and demand problem that illegals cause. If teacher’s wages are held back, it is by the lack of taxpayer support for higher taxes along with the government’s misappropriation of the taxes they are currently taking in.
100% correct.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.65d2b9a175c5

From the true official source - fed:
"the average American family has yet to recover fully from the 2008 financial crisis, the Federal Reserve found"

"Boshara, of the St. Louis Fed, pointed out that credit card and auto loan delinquencies have risen this year, the opposite of what Wall Street expected in good economic times."

"In discussions with 30 Americans unable to pay all of their bills, a clear pattern emerged: Most were able to eke by until they faced an unexpected crisis such as a job loss, cancer, car trouble or storm damage.

Economists fear such precarious financial situations put many Americans at risk if there is even a mild setback in the economy, potentially setting up the next recession to be worse than anything in recent history except the Great Recession."

“We are headed toward a political crisis, if not an economic one.”

Hey, I'm doing fine.....but that was never the question here. The concern was always the "forgotten Americans" of whom it was claimed they will WIN so much they will get tired of winning. They are getting tired all right....

"As a nurse’s aide, she makes above Ohio’s $8.55-an-hour minimum wage but not much over $10" - that's in Ohio, the place where MAGA was supposed to be centered. $10 an hour......and she is getting VERY tired.
"“I’m 25, but I feel like I am in my late 30s,”"

Meanwhile, 2 Billion dollar bombers are putting on a display in DC.

It's really an embarrassing time to be an American. A disappointing time. I just heard the idiot talking about how good the stock market is - he doesn't realize that the stock market isn't a measure of the general well-being of the economy. Most Americans don't even participate in speculating in the stock market.

Debt is trillions and growing. Thought conservatives wanted to draw down the debt but they're just adding to it.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I think your next statement might be:

Having a cell phone is a human right.
You want people to work, right?

How do they get work if there is no way for them to be contacted?

Have you filled out a job application lately?
Phone number is a required field.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: USA
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It's really an embarrassing time to be an American. A disappointing time. I just heard the idiot talking about how good the stock market is - he doesn't realize that the stock market isn't a measure of the general well-being of the economy. Most Americans don't even participate in speculating in the stock market.

Debt is trillions and growing. Thought conservatives wanted to draw down the debt but they're just adding to it.
Debt is fine as long as it’s used to finance tax cuts for billionaires.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:48 AM
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Same as under Obama and all those before Trump. How much of this is self inflicted? How many of those who can't pay their bills did it to themselves? How many financed their way into a bottomless pit of debt? Gotta have the latest cellphone, new care etc.

How many are hurt by the Fed failing to do their jobs? How many were lowballed out of their trades by illegals?

How many were made poor because US trade agreements made it so profitable for manufacturing to leave the country?

The OP can try to blame Trump but these are problems that he inherited. The cans that both parties have been kicking down the road.

One of the best responses I've seen on this entire board. Very good questions posed that never...EVER...are met with any reasonable responses from those on the left.

A fair analysis of why things are the way they are described by the OP is that a mixture of establishment policies by both Democrats and Republicans that have kicked the can down the road and failed to deal with these issues along with the personal choices of people have led to the issues described by the OP.

Unfortunately, the questions you posed are never...EVER...met with honest, reasoned responses from those on the left. It's all Trump's fault. Nevermind, that all these things have been issues for years under several presidents both Democrat and Republican. You'd think it singlehandedly started becoming an issue under Trump.

Of course, expecting an intellectually honest debate or response to your excellent questions from the TDS afflicted folks on the left is pointless. If you get any response at all it's how you are racist or hate poor people if you support what Trump is trying to do with his trade deals, the economy, and stopping illegal immigration which puts severe downward pressure on wages for legal immigrants and U.S. citizens
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Hard to give tax breaks to people that don't earn much. May be time to think about warehousing people who can't make it on their own, if we're paying for it.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Socialism for all is perhaps a few elections away.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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Hard to give tax breaks to people that don't earn much. May be time to think about warehousing people who can't make it on their own, if we're paying for it.
How is someone going to make it on their own when their two jobs don’t pay enough to make rent?
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