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Old 07-06-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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Very disheartening, but not surprising. The conservative Christian right will never change.

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Perhaps not surprisingly, the link between religion and nationality is of greatest consequence to those for whom religion plays a very important role in daily life. Among this group, 51% say it is very important to be Christian in order to be truly American.

LINK: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...onal-identity/



 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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At least it's only 30%. Could be worse.
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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Very disheartening, but not surprising. The conservative Christian right will never change.




LINK: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...onal-identity/


This doesn't surprise me. Probably about 3/4 of Trump's base believes that being a born-again evangelical Christian is part of American identity. Also saddening is they are currently the dominant political and cultural force in this country. That's why we are currently seeing such an effort to dehumanize Americans who aren't white, straight, or Christian enough. When you no longer look at your neighbors as your neighbors or even human, it becomes far easier to "do something" about them.

America today is the culmination of what Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority started back in the 1980s. Nothing but hate and cruelty against those who don't check of all the boxes of what it means to be a 'real' American.

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At least it's only 30%. Could be worse.
That's about 3/4 of Trump's base. It's a bigger deal than you realize.
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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Not surprisingly, people have a problem with this.
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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Very disheartening, but not surprising. The conservative Christian right will never change.




LINK: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...onal-identity/


Considering that the country was founded by Christians and on Christian belief -- what's the problem?
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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Considering that the country was founded by Christians and on Christian belief -- what's the problem?
Where in the Constitution does it say God, Jesus, Bible, Christian nation, or anything of the sort?

Yes, it was founded by mostly Christians of all sorts. Republicans today want to FORCE all Americans to follow a narrow, strict fundamentalist version of Christianity based on hate and fear with strict punishment and ostracization for those who don't.

The militant fundamentalist Christians who currently dominate this country don't represent all Christians either.
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Where in the Constitution does it say God, Jesus, Bible, Christian nation, or anything of the sort?

Yes, it was founded by mostly Christians of all sorts. Republicans today want to FORCE all Americans to follow a narrow, strict fundamentalist version of Christianity based on hate and fear with strict punishment for those who don't.

The Southern Baptists who currently dominate this country don't represent all Christians either.
In all fairness, God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence (which was written when America was formally founded).
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Considering that the country was founded by Christians and on Christian belief -- what's the problem?

Except a number of the Founding Fathers were not Christian. Some were Deists who believed in God but openly rejected the Bible and said there was no Jesus.
 
Old 07-06-2019, 09:12 AM
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Considering that the country was founded by Christians and on Christian belief -- what's the problem?
The First Amendment would be the problem.

Here it is in case you never read it.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It gives people who believe as you suggest, the freedom to be full of themselves and people like us the freedom to ignore them.

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Old 07-06-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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In all fairness, God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence (which was written when America was formally founded).
A generic "creator" or "nature's God" is very different from the militant fundamentalist God of hate and fear that Republicans want to force down all Americans' throats at gunpoint. That defense doesn't hold water.
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