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It wouldn't surprise me if Trump's 2020 popular vote is still less than Hillary got in 2016. No chance in hell Trump will match Obama's 69 million votes.
I heard the same predictions about Trump not winning Pennsylvania, Wisky, Michigan, and the Presidency...If the Dims offer up a terrible candidate in 2020 which it looks likely they will, that 69M number is doable for Trump.
I heard the same predictions about Trump not winning Pennsylvania, Wisky, Michigan, and the Presidency...If the Dims offer up a terrible candidate in 2020 which it looks likely they will, that 69M number is doable for Trump.
Trump voters were highly enthusiastic in 2016, and the Dems couldn't do worse than Hillary, she had more baggage and negative name recognition than all the current Dems combined. Again, I say not a chance in hell Trump hits 69 million. I will be very surprised if he gets 65 million. I think he will end up within 1% of where he did in 2016.
Trump voters were highly enthusiastic in 2016, and the Dems couldn't do worse than Hillary, she had more baggage and negative name recognition than all the current Dems combined. Again, I say not a chance in hell Trump hits 69 million. I will be very surprised if he gets 65 million. I think he will end up within 1% of where he did in 2016.
You might be right but if the Dems offer up a candidate as terrible as McCain was in 2008 (and I have little doubt they will), you might get shocked (again).
Your vote (part of the popular vote) is for a slate of electors from your state.
No it isn't.
There's no "Henry Beale, your elector for Muleshoe County" on the ballot.
Your vote is for the candidate.
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That's some elementary 5th grade civics stuff you've forgotten there.
That's an extremely obvious aspect you chose to overlook in your desperation to post something that might look like a point to those not paying attention.
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But I'm grateful for the opportunity to help you emerge from the dark cavern of misunderstanding.
Why, of course it is. The presidential contest might as well not even appear on the ballot for all the difference it makes. The vote taken in the Electoral College is the definitive vote that actually elects the President. Period.
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There's no "Henry Beale, your elector for Muleshoe County" on the ballot.
Your vote is for the candidate.
No, you're actually voting for a group of electors who, presumably, are committed to vote for the candidate you have chosen.
Are you sure you really understand how this works? More to the point...should you even be voting at all?
Because you're exhibiting a surprising degree of ignorance and confusion as to basic civics matters here.
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That's an extremely obvious aspect you chose to overlook in your desperation to post something that might look like a point to those not paying attention.
Well, I tried to overlook your complete befuddlement initially, but it has evidenced itself so blatantly that there's simply no way I could possibly avoid it at this point. And that's really the only issue here, to be sure...the fact that you still subscribe to the ludicrous fiction that the popular vote elects the President and Vice-President, when it most assuredly does not.
Why, of course it is. The presidential contest might as well not even appear on the ballot for all the difference it makes. The vote taken in the Electoral College is the definitive vote that actually elects the President. Period.
And that's exactly why it's headed for history's trash heap.
Not today or tomorrow, but it's going there.
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No, you're actually voting for a group of electors who, presumably, are committed to vote for the candidate you have chosen.
Are you sure you really understand how this works? More to the point...should you even be voting at all?
Because you're exhibiting a surprising degree of ignorance and confusion as to basic civics matters here.
Well, I tried to overlook your complete befuddlement initially, but it has evidenced itself so blatantly that there's simply no way I could possibly avoid it at this point. And that's really the only issue here, to be sure...the fact that you still subscribe to the ludicrous fiction that the popular vote elects the President and Vice-President, when it most assuredly does not.
All you have to do to support your silly assertion that the public votes for electors is to come up with a ballot that has electors rather than candidates printed on it.
AFTER the public makes their selection, the "rigged system" decides what to do with our votes and appoints those electors that you're so enamored with.
Let me know what else I need to clarify for you on the topic.
Why, of course it is. The presidential contest might as well not even appear on the ballot for all the difference it makes. The vote taken in the Electoral College is the definitive vote that actually elects the President. Period.
No, you're actually voting for a group of electors who, presumably, are committed to vote for the candidate you have chosen.
Are you sure you really understand how this works? More to the point...should you even be voting at all?
Because you're exhibiting a surprising degree of ignorance and confusion as to basic civics matters here.
Well, I tried to overlook your complete befuddlement initially, but it has evidenced itself so blatantly that there's simply no way I could possibly avoid it at this point. And that's really the only issue here, to be sure...the fact that you still subscribe to the ludicrous fiction that the popular vote elects the President and Vice-President, when it most assuredly does not.
You are both right and wrong.
You are right in the sense that Presidential Elections are determined by the Electoral College, but you are wrong if you think that the National Popular Vote is of no significance. There have only been 5 Presidential Elections in American History in which the winner of the Electoral College didn’t also win the popular vote. That means that in over 90% of the time, the two have gone together. No President has ever been elected and re-elected while losing the National Popular Vote both times. Only one President who lost the national popular vote was re-elected, and that was George W. Bush in 2004. He lost the national vote in 2000 by about 500,000 votes while winning Florida and the Presidency by between 500 and 600 votes. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by nearly 3 million. It will be interesting to see if Trump can actually win the National Popular Vote. Bush in 2004 was the last R President to win the popular vote, and the only one since Bush I in 1988. Trump will try to be the only the second Republican in the last 32 years to win the national popular vote. Historically the EC and the pop vote go together, and it’s not likely that the two will diverge for a long period of time.
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And that's exactly why it's headed for history's trash heap...
"Now that's just sad, Larry."
--Dana Carvey, imitating H. Ross Perot, circa 1992
Please...now you're just flailing madly about, futilely trying to justify an erroneous notion you hold, for reasons you have yet to adequately explain.
This is all getting a tad undignified for you, OG. Most regrettable, indeed.
I think I'll leave you to continue your self-embarrassment session here.
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Bless your heart. You're trying SO hard.
