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Old 07-12-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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They are being taught capitalism bad, socialism good.
They are taught that our form of Capitalism is bad which isn't Capitalism at all.

You support the government bailing out a failed business? Was that good or bad?

 
Old 07-12-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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They are being taught capitalism bad, socialism good.
Capitalism has been historically a system of exploitation of the Masses, and remains so today, even after decades of attempts to reform it. Talk regarding the system has largely been of a circular and utopian nature since the collapse of the U.S.S.R.. The Center-Left coalition has been searching for a way to make Capitalism “work,” i.e. make it palpable enough for the majority of people so as to keep the Owner Classes feeling secure. You can’t fix what something is by its very nature, though. Capitalism is a socio-economic model for a Class-based organizing of society; it’s chief claim to progress was that it operated as a universal (neither religiously or ethnically demarcated) organizational structure outside of the hereditary based systems of feudalism that preceded it; though given projected trends for Wealth concentration one might find the later claim to be somewhat specious.

The Keynesian economists who tried to make Capitalism work were axed back in the 70’s, along with the older generations of the CED, the moment the owner classes felt secure again after the Great Crash. Unions, Regulatory Bodies, and the promises of a Great Society where undermined and attacked, dismantled, and largely turned into empty talking points. In the Western context, however, Capitalism is the softest form of Power enforcement, in that it is largely an idea that most in the society at least tentatively accept as the deterministic apparatus for “success” and “failure.” Even intellectual debate is referred to as, “the Marketplace of Ideas.” Once it is gone as viable option, the Elites have one of two options: submit to egalitarianism, or resort to older forms of control.
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:17 PM
 
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Capitalism has been historically a system of exploitation of the Masses, and remains so today, even after decades of attempts to reform it. Talk regarding the system has largely been of a circular and utopian nature since the collapse of the U.S.S.R.. The Center-Left coalition has been searching for a way to make Capitalism “work,” i.e. make it palpable enough for the majority of people so as to keep the Owner Classes feeling secure. You can’t fix what something is by its very nature, though. Capitalism is a socio-economic model for a Class-based organizing of society; it’s chief claim to progress was that it operated as a universal (neither religiously or ethnically demarcated) organizational structure outside of the hereditary based systems of feudalism that preceded it; though given projected trends for Wealth concentration one might find the later claim to be somewhat specious.

The Keynesian economists who tried to make Capitalism work were axed back in the 70’s, along with the older generations of the CED, the moment the owner classes felt secure again after the Great Crash. Unions, Regulatory Bodies, and the promises of a Great Society where undermined and attacked, dismantled, and largely turned into empty talking points. In the Western context, however, Capitalism is the softest form of Power enforcement, in that it is largely an idea that most in the society at least tentatively accept as the deterministic apparatus for “success” and “failure.” Even intellectual debate is referred to as, “the Marketplace of Ideas.” Once it is gone as viable option, the Elites have one of two options: submit to egalitarianism, or resort to older forms of control.
How does capitalism exploit people?
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:31 PM
 
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It's really sad young people are buying into the propaganda sold by characters like AOC and Bernie Sanders. I blame the education system. That Communism doesn't work is basic logic. We need a modern Milton Friedman, who can explain the basic fact that prosperity is maximized when each individual pursues his own self-interest. Americans in the 1980s understood that, hence Reagan 49-state landslide.

Who needs capitalism when modern monetary theory is being taught that free money can be created out of thin air forever and everyone is entitled to freebies for life?
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:42 PM
 
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It's really sad young people are buying into the propaganda sold by characters like AOC and Bernie Sanders. I blame the education system. That Communism doesn't work is basic logic. We need a modern Milton Friedman, who can explain the basic fact that prosperity is maximized when each individual pursues his own self-interest. Americans in the 1980s understood that, hence Reagan 49-state landslide.
Why blame the education system, how about blaming the parents. Parents are educators too, you know.
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:43 PM
 
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Capitalism has been historically a system of exploitation of the Masses, and remains so today, even after decades of attempts to reform it. Talk regarding the system has largely been of a circular and utopian nature since the collapse of the U.S.S.R.. The Center-Left coalition has been searching for a way to make Capitalism “work,” i.e. make it palpable enough for the majority of people so as to keep the Owner Classes feeling secure. You can’t fix what something is by its very nature, though. Capitalism is a socio-economic model for a Class-based organizing of society; it’s chief claim to progress was that it operated as a universal (neither religiously or ethnically demarcated) organizational structure outside of the hereditary based systems of feudalism that preceded it; though given projected trends for Wealth concentration one might find the later claim to be somewhat specious.

The Keynesian economists who tried to make Capitalism work were axed back in the 70’s, along with the older generations of the CED, the moment the owner classes felt secure again after the Great Crash. Unions, Regulatory Bodies, and the promises of a Great Society where undermined and attacked, dismantled, and largely turned into empty talking points. In the Western context, however, Capitalism is the softest form of Power enforcement, in that it is largely an idea that most in the society at least tentatively accept as the deterministic apparatus for “success” and “failure.” Even intellectual debate is referred to as, “the Marketplace of Ideas.” Once it is gone as viable option, the Elites have one of two options: submit to egalitarianism, or resort to older forms of control.

The promise of capitalism is that anyone can be an owner...
Like the guy who started selling personal computers out of his dorm room (Michael Dell)
and the guy who thought he could sell books from a warehouse (Jeff Bezos)
and the guy who thought he could rent movies over the internet (Reed Hastings)
and the guy...


The "owner class" is the socialists' bogeyman, in Alinsky's words, Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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The promise of capitalism is that anyone can be an owner...
Like the guy who started selling personal computers out of his dorm room (Michael Dell)
and the guy who thought he could sell books from a warehouse (Jeff Bezos)
and the guy who thought he could rent movies over the internet (Reed Hastings)
and the guy...


The "owner class" is the socialists' bogeyman, in Alinsky's words, Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
Where does Capitalism speak about the government bailing out your failed business?
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:55 PM
 
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The promise of capitalism is that anyone can be an owner...
Like the guy who started selling personal computers out of his dorm room (Michael Dell)
and the guy who thought he could sell books from a warehouse (Jeff Bezos)
and the guy who thought he could rent movies over the internet (Reed Hastings)
and the guy...


The "owner class" is the socialists' bogeyman, in Alinsky's words, Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

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Where does Capitalism speak about the government bailing out your failed business?
Huh?
 
Old 07-12-2019, 09:58 PM
 
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Huh?
Typical answer. We are a Capitalist nation according to you? If so, where does Capitalism teach about the government bailing out failed businesses like we have done?
 
Old 07-12-2019, 10:01 PM
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Why blame the education system, how about blaming the parents. Parents are educators too, you know.
Because the parents are products of the same propaganda apparatus.
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