Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:22 PM
 
62,958 posts, read 29,141,740 times
Reputation: 18588

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilah G. View Post
That market is required if that business wants to make money that's why. Plain and simple. Those are the facts as well.
So employees should all be able to speak a foreign language to accomodate residents in our country who refuse to learn English or don't want to speak it and or illegal aliens? Oh yeah, pandering for dollars while discriminating against native English speakers in hiring practices for the almighty dollar. Anything for a buck, right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:36 PM
 
18,381 posts, read 19,020,549 times
Reputation: 15700
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
So employees should all be able to speak a foreign language to accomodate residents in our country who refuse to learn English or don't want to speak it and or illegal aliens? Oh yeah, pandering for dollars while discriminating against native English speakers in hiring practices for the almighty dollar. Anything for a buck, right?
The business is pandering to their customers. Capitalism. Build a better mousetrap. An Employer can have all the requirements he needs. should someone without a college education be mad because the business wants a college grad? No. What about lifting 50 pound? Speaking as a second language is a skill and employers pay for that scale just as they pay for other skills
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:39 PM
 
18,069 posts, read 18,818,113 times
Reputation: 25191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
So employees should all be able to speak a foreign language to accomodate residents in our country who refuse to learn English or don't want to speak it and or illegal aliens? Oh yeah, pandering for dollars while discriminating against native English speakers in hiring practices for the almighty dollar. Anything for a buck, right?
They are not discriminating against native English speakers. A native English speaker can be fluent in other languages, in fact, I know plenty who are.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
16,236 posts, read 5,880,554 times
Reputation: 9117
Quote:
Originally Posted by usayit View Post
Government agencies will cater to the locale.... The government agency in a polish area here do have polish speaking employees. Similarly, a predominantly Spanish speaking area has offices with people that speak Spanish.

Many things in life are 80/20 rule driven. You cater to the 80 percent and try your best to accommodate to the 20 percent left over. Trying to cater to 100% can be extremely expensive.

Courts are required to provide translators... but they can't keep all translators of all languages on retainer all the time. So they ask that you call ahead and schedule for one.

Similarly on the phone, there are 100s of languages in the world... you can't possibly make a user experience with the system that caters to all of them. There is no denying that Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language... so it isn't a surprise that the systems are designed for that in mind.

It isn't a discriminatory problem, it is a logistics one.

I am a software developer. The application I design needs to meet translation requirements. You can't possibly expect my company to translate the product into 100s of different languages. As such, there are a set of 8 most common languages that I need to have my message files translated for. It doesn't mean that I am discriminatory against the others... it simply means that it isn't cost effective and the internationalization requirements for software (i18n) recognizes this.

btw... the translation effort for just 8 languages is a HUGE effort and a royal PITA. I'd rather not do it.. but it is a requirement.
There is a very simple solution. Due what my host nation does. If you can't speak the language bring a translator. There is absolutely no reason what so ever that someone wishing to conduct business in a government office, shouldn't have to bring their own translator. There is no reason to impose that cost on the people.

The court I can understand, but not government offices or schools.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:42 PM
 
62,958 posts, read 29,141,740 times
Reputation: 18588
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxus View Post
They are not discriminating against native English speakers. A native English speaker can be fluent in other languages, in fact, I know plenty who are.
I was speaking of mono-lingual native English speakers. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
35,703 posts, read 21,054,375 times
Reputation: 14249
Quote:
Originally Posted by boneyard1962 View Post
There is a very simple solution. Due what my host nation does. If you can't speak the language bring a translator. There is absolutely no reason what so ever that someone wishing to conduct business in a government office, shouldn't have to bring their own translator. There is no reason to impose that cost on the people.

The court I can understand, but not government offices or schools.
And they do! What makes you think they do not ? Now who decided to press 1 or 2 happened when I was about 8 yrs old . I don’t know why, but I know it started 58 yrs ago
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: NNJ
15,074 posts, read 10,101,447 times
Reputation: 17270
Quote:
Originally Posted by boneyard1962 View Post
There is a very simple solution. Due what my host nation does. If you can't speak the language bring a translator. There is absolutely no reason what so ever that someone wishing to conduct business in a government office, shouldn't have to bring their own translator. There is no reason to impose that cost on the people.

The court I can understand, but not government offices or schools.
Not possible unless you change the law. Give it a try... see how far you get. btw.. people do bring their own translators to these offices but you were complaining about 1) english etc... on the automated phone service. My response remains the same.. It think it is a good thing.. not bad. It defines us differently from other countries like your host nation.

But you still missed my point.

As your response implies, this isn't a case of discrimination that you and others make it out to be. But rather a logistical one.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:47 PM
 
Location: NNJ
15,074 posts, read 10,101,447 times
Reputation: 17270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
I was speaking of mono-lingual native English speakers. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you.
and I ask again. .. are you for or against a private business right to conduct business as they see fit?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: NNJ
15,074 posts, read 10,101,447 times
Reputation: 17270
Quote:
Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
The business is pandering to their customers. Capitalism. Build a better mousetrap. An Employer can have all the requirements he needs. should someone without a college education be mad because the business wants a college grad? No. What about lifting 50 pound? Speaking as a second language is a skill and employers pay for that scale just as they pay for other skills
This.

Again.... Old Glory. Are you for or against private business rights?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-14-2019, 07:49 PM
 
18,069 posts, read 18,818,113 times
Reputation: 25191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
I was speaking of mono-lingual native English speakers. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you.
How are they discriminating if they need a skill, and someone does not have it? Sure, in a technical sense it is discrimination, just as it is discrimination to hire a heart surgeon with the education and experiencing over others who do not have it. But legally and socially speaking, it is not discrimination. An employer needs someone with a specific language skill set, they will hire such person, it is not discriminating against people who do not have the skill set.

Are you a pilot? Can you fly the 777? If not, is United Airlines discriminating against you because you do not have this skill?

At that, there is such thing a discrimination in hiring, language requirements is a way to discriminate in hiring. if a person suspects this, they need to file a complaint with the EEOC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:41 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top