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Old Yesterday, 08:13 PM
 
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Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandals
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon we'd just nail him up
If he came down again


Thank you Kris
The current day religious right would crucify him for sure.
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Old Yesterday, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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That wasn't even the question. The question was "Is it legal for Jews to pay taxes".

He asked who was pictured on the coin (It was Caesar). He said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.

Pilate was unable to find him guilty of telling people to not pay taxes.
Ok. My point is that he didn't say they did or didn't need to pay taxes.
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Old Yesterday, 08:17 PM
 
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The current day religious right would crucify him for sure.


I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
Matthew 25:35

Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
Matthew 25:40
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Old Yesterday, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm pretty sure Jesus was Liberal, feeding the poor, turning the other cheek, etc. Now Mohammad, a childing raping Slavery is preferred by people these days who call themselves Liberal...
Classical Liberal maybe? Seems like the terms change. He didn't want force or government involvement. He wanted help to be voluntary. One should be "socialist" with immediate family, mentality.
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Old Yesterday, 10:35 PM
 
Location: SGV
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No, he specifically used a coin with Ceasars picture on it.
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He didn't oppose taxes.......that was the accusation.
Did he support taxes? Citation?

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10 The chief priests and the teachers of the law were standing there, vehemently accusing him.

Pilate found him guilty of nothing.
I said it was the charge. I didn't say it stuck.
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Old Yesterday, 10:37 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Ok. My point is that he didn't say they did or didn't need to pay taxes.
I interpret it as Caesar needing to be humanized in the eyes of the others and more importantly placed below God. Statists look for confirmation of and endorsement of enslavement...per usual.
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Old Yesterday, 10:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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Classical Liberal maybe? Seems like the terms change. He didn't want force or government involvement. He wanted help to be voluntary. One should be "socialist" with immediate family, mentality.
Definately! Who knows what a Liberal is these days, as it changes every time you turn around. Apparently the Ideal Liberal would have to be a Black Lesbian transgender Morphadite Muslim little person. No insult to anyone of those groups individually.
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Old Today, 12:01 AM
 
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Jesus would probably be more in-line with liberals nowadays but he certainly would not be easily triggered like many liberals can be!
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Old Today, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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That wasn't even the question. The question was "Is it legal for Jews to pay taxes".

He asked who was pictured on the coin (It was Caesar). He said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.

Pilate was unable to find him guilty of telling people to not pay taxes.
Caesar not Ceasar.

Just because he couldn't find him guilty doesn't mean that his implication was lost.

It's like the statement
"It's as much a pleasure to see you as it's always been."

Is this a compliment or an insult? Well it's purely in the perception of the speaker and listener.

Had Pilate found that the statement was decrying payment of taxes, then what was said would be interpreted as against paying taxes, and history would be much different (and Roman income from Judea significantly lower). However by rejecting that interpretation 2000 years later pknopp will interpret it as an agreement taxes are legitimate.

The statement throws the ball firmly in Pilates court, he gets to decide, without legitimacy being really established from the words spoken.
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Old Today, 03:58 AM
 
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Did he support taxes? Citation?
I don't imagine he cared one way or the other. He said to pay them when they are due.
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