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Old Today, 04:04 AM
 
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Caesar not Ceasar.
Yes, thanks.

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Just because he couldn't find him guilty doesn't mean that his implication was lost.

It's like the statement
"It's as much a pleasure to see you as it's always been."

Is this a compliment or an insult? Well it's purely in the perception of the speaker and listener.

Had Pilate found that the statement was decrying payment of taxes, then what was said would be interpreted as against paying taxes, and history would be much different (and Roman income from Judea significantly lower). However by rejecting that interpretation 2000 years later pknopp will interpret it as an agreement taxes are legitimate.

The statement throws the ball firmly in Pilates court, he gets to decide, without legitimacy being really established from the words spoken.
You didn't have to like paying taxes, you just had to pay them and Jesus said so which means whatever his view was, it didn't make him guilty of anything.

I doubt he would be a fan of our taxes going to the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people around the world. Well, that is largely debt at this point I suppose.
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Old Today, 04:27 AM
 
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Yes, thanks.



You didn't have to like paying taxes, you just had to pay them and Jesus said so which means whatever his view was, it didn't make him guilty of anything.

I doubt he would be a fan of our taxes going to the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people around the world. Well, that is largely debt at this point I suppose.
But he never said that they had to pay taxes.

Render to pknopp that which is pknopps

Does that mean I pay you taxes? No, because I own nothing of yours nor owe anything to you.

It's purely speculation that makes you think it means you had to pay taxes, well that and the concept that Pilate never convicted on claims of arguing against taxes.
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Old Today, 04:37 AM
 
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Just how dumbed-down, twisted and corrupt is The USA becoming because of the gullibility and malleability on the right?
I seem to recall the cleansing of the temple, when Jesus overturned the tables and threw out the merchants and money lenders - very capitalist.

Cleansing of the Temple - Wikipedia

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Old Today, 04:41 AM
 
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But he never said that they had to pay taxes.

Render to pknopp that which is pknopps

Does that mean I pay you taxes? No, because I own nothing of yours nor owe anything to you.

It's purely speculation that makes you think it means you had to pay taxes, well that and the concept that Pilate never convicted on claims of arguing against taxes.
You do own the money printed by the government. You may have an argument if that was not the case. They had money minted with the likeness of Caesar and Jesus said, when he wants some of it back, give it back.

In reality he was saying "You fools who see worth only in terms of money".
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Old Today, 04:45 AM
 
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I won't say he was a free market capitalist, but he also didn't preach the idea of taking your neighbors stuff by force to redistribute...he preached about doing good works in your own daily life.
Many say that capitalism would be closer to a survival of the fittest mentality.
That would be 180 degrees difference than what is in the bible.

The new heaven and new earth spoke of says the lion will lay beside the sheep and children and no harm will come to them, nor will anyone want for food for god will provide for them.
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Old Today, 04:47 AM
 
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If you believe the Bible, Jesus most certainly did talk about sharing what you have with the less fortunate, taking care of one another, taking care of the stranger who shows up in your land, ...

As for free-market capitalism, Jesus ran the money-changers, i.e. free market capitalists, out of the temple.

Good grief, what Bible are these people reading?
Also the bible is strongly against usury which our country runs on.
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Old Today, 05:00 AM
 
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You do own the money printed by the government. You may have an argument if that was not the case. They had money minted with the likeness of Caesar and Jesus said, when he wants some of it back, give it back.

In reality he was saying "You fools who see worth only in terms of money".
Do I not own that currency printed by the government?

After all if I committed skills and effort to be paid in that currency then is that not mine? The converse is that you do not own anything paid for in currency, it's entirely the governments.
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Old Today, 05:08 AM
 
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Do I not own that currency printed by the government?
You have agreed to the arrangement by taking it. You can argue your choices are slim but it's the deal.

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After all if I committed skills and effort to be paid in that currency then is that not mine? The converse is that you do not own anything paid for in currency, it's entirely the governments.
I didn't say that. Jesus didn't say that.
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Old Today, 05:13 AM
 
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Applying 1st century economics to 21st century economics is idiotic.

There were things he said that fall on both sides of the economic spectrum.

Jesus is God, and I rather doubt God is a Republican.
or Democrat
or Socialist
or...
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Old Today, 05:14 AM
 
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Just how dumbed-down, twisted and corrupt is The USA becoming because of the gullibility and malleability on the right?
Where do you get all these crazy notions that you assign to all conservatives?

Christ was not a politician or a promoter of any economic system (although let's face it- communism and atheism go hand in hand).

The left usually highjacks aspects of Christ's teaching and applies them to communism/liberalism, which is always incorrect. It is odd, as liberals are atheists and don't believe in Christ.
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