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Old 07-15-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Having apologized last year for its supposedly racist, Eurocentric past, National Geographic now declares that there are no real Europeans.


[sarcasm] So, all you deplorables, you are mostly descended from people who invaded Europe 4000-9000 years ago so you have no right to stop migrants from entering your countries today. Got that? [/sarcasm]

Genetic testing reveals that Europe is a melting pot, made of immigrants
It might not gel with your notions of human history but what they are saying is true. Here is a haplo map of Europe. Which country is genetically pure European?

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Old 07-15-2019, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Japan
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It might not gel with your notions of human history but what they are saying is true. Here is a haplo map of Europe. Which country is genetically pure European?
Europeans form a meaningful genetic cluster. "Genetically pure" is a meaningless term which I have never used.

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we observed that without using prior information about individual sampling locations, a clustering algorithm applied to multilocus genotypes from worldwide human populations produced genetic clusters largely coincident with major geographic regions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1310579/

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Old 07-15-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Europeans form a meaningful genetic cluster. "Genetically pure" is a meaningless term which I have never used.
Wouldn't consider it "meaningful" by any stretch of the imagination. That said there are several notable regional genetic clusters. Those genetic cluster don't relate to anything cohesive or meaningful though. The Genetic cluster around the North Baltic with Finland, Estonia and Latvia does not have much overlap with the Greek, Turkish and Balkan cluster.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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No mass immigration into the continent in the last 5000 years...
The Migration Period wasn't so named because people stayed where they were.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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LOL....this is hillarious looking at the map.

Here is the US, when a white person gets in a yelling match with a black person and they start calling each other slurs.....CNN doesn't report that Sally the serbian-chech-hun-egyptian said the N-word.....nope...they are just "white" because it's just pigmentation that matters I guess.

Same goes for someone that is more mixed race. Depending upon the politics of the situation someone can morph from mexican to white or vice-versa at the snap of the fingers.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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I haven't disputed any of the science. I only take issue with the spin and politics being attached to it.


Many of us do. You clearly don't.
Of course I do oh superior Neanderthal man!

I bow before you your highness. Lol

Simply put, you wanna put us in our place and let it be known that we might both be humans, but we ain’t the same kinda humans.

I can dig it.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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Wouldn't consider it "meaningful" by any stretch of the imagination.
sigh... That's technically meaningful... significant by the criteria used to define genetic clusters, not in some subjective, cosmic sense that we all might have opinions about.
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Old 07-15-2019, 05:54 PM
 
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I think people do understand that 5000 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things. That is not the disconnect. I think two different arguments are being made at the same time.

If your family has been in, what is now, Austria for 5000 years, chances are you feel like an Austrian. And the rest of the world considers you an Austrian.

Now, the scientists are making the argument that, Austria is a melting pot because your family was from somewhere else 6000 years ago. To me, that doesn’t cut it, because we are not talking about transforming from a chimp into a human here. We are talking about the formation of ethnic groups among relatively small gene pools.
Yes. Although I'm not sure it's fair to put all the blame on scientists for that silliness. It is the National Geographic journalist making the argument here and I doubt many actual scientists would agree. The writer does provide a couple of quotes from people who sound likeminded. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a purely subjective, political take on who is a native and what is a melting pot, not a scientific conclusion.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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Even the first people that came from Africa are technically immigrants, right?
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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The Migration Period wasn't so named because people stayed where they were.
Germans invading the Roman Empire? I don't see how that's related to what we're discussing.
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