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Old 07-16-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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Everyone not from East Africa is an immigrant. So how can the same people criticise Europeans colonizing anywhere outside Subsaharan Africa? The conflict between conquistadors and Indians was a battle between brothers, not a genocide. Isn't that where suchlogic would lead?
If we're being logically consistent, yes. Colonialism is just "immigration without assimilation."

But that's not the point of these agenda-driven "scientists."


In the end, National Geographic's data is sound. All populations shift around through tens of thousands of years. Every continent, and 99% of peoples of the world.


But, the conclusions drawn from it: "Europe is a continent of immigrants and always has been" is politically loaded and should not inform present day immigration policy in Europe.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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That’s ridiculous. Of course they had a choice and a defense. They chose to let people in and not kill them all...sadly. They were too trusting and welcoming of savages with Bibles who meant them nothing but harm.

Nah, they really had no choice and no defense. It's why the people and resources of Africa were mere - literal - commodities to the Arabs for hundreds of years before the Europeans arrived.


And following your logic, today Europe has a choice in whether or not to let savages in armed with Korans and backwards cultural values from the Middle East and Africa who mean nothing but harm and conquer and change the face of the continent while pillaging the wealth and social resources of their host countries.

So they should learn from the mistakes of the Africans and Native Americans and choose wisely. Only allow in the educated and those who want to assimilate. Small numbers at a time. Don't let savage cultures group together in shadow societies. Limit the intake in a measured manner.

Population and fertility waxes and wanes. They can get along just fine with automation and clean, stable population societies built on sustainability.

They don't need to import people from diametrically opposed cultures to sustain unsustainable welfare states. And they certainly don't need anyone like you living there, who happens to have massive chips on their shoulders because their people were conquered 500 years ago.

Europe of the future isn't worth **** if its just an extension of the Middle East and Africa. Thankfully the more experience Europeans have with "diversity" the less they seem to like it. Except the Germans. But Germans are just broken people. Like the soviets the best ones were either purged by dictators or died in wars. What's left after the turbulent 20th century are a pathetic heap of self-loathing ingrates. Thank god for leaders like Orban and Salvini - the real future of Europe.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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No one is an immigrant to any country if they were born there. Sheesh!
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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Hmmm... not sure why you would think that comparing IQ among racial groups is difficult or rarely done. Any large IQ study can be broken down and analyzed by racial subgroups. And of course this has been done many, many times, and the results are well established. Despite it being a taboo topic, many papers have been published and books written.
It's really difficult. In order to successfully compare IQ among racial groups (or any other group for that matter) you have to run analysis over exact same cultural traits, and that is nearly impossible to find. To give an example on why culture matters in IQ tests: suppose, test is about math abilities, but is phrased something like this: "baseball pitcher hits the ball with force N,..., how many home runs will be there?". If one person has no idea what baseball is, it will take some additional time and effort for his brain to digest that info; so the result will be lower compared to the one who knows about the game. Of course, this is exaggerated example, just to show how cultural difference affect the test. And I haven't seen any test that is not screwed one way or another. Heck, even new drug tests that are supposed to be all correct and scientifically proven turn out wrong in 44% cases on FDA approved medicines! They were either outright falsified, or just conducted incorrectly - and that's in a field where outcome can be measured more or less correctly; what to say about brain measurements?
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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No mass immigration into the continent in the last 5000 years; none going back much further if we consider Western Russia, source of the Indo Europeans, and Turkey, home of the Neolithic farmers, as part of larger Europe.
Actually, everyone originates from the Triangle -- the region between the Iranian Plateau, the Taurus and Caucus Mountains and Lake Baikal, which is just north of Mongolia.

That encompasses Siberia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Dagestan, Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iran.

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Germans invading the Roman Empire? I don't see how that's related to what we're discussing.
Because the Germans came centuries after the Sclaveni, Venedi and Alans came.

Read Herodotus. You can also read Xenophon's Anabasis (specifically Book IV).
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Old 07-16-2019, 07:28 PM
 
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It's really difficult. In order to successfully compare IQ among racial groups (or any other group for that matter) you have to run analysis over exact same cultural traits, and that is nearly impossible to find. To give an example on why culture matters in IQ tests: suppose, test is about math abilities, but is phrased something like this: "baseball pitcher hits the ball with force N,..., how many home runs will be there?". If one person has no idea what baseball is, it will take some additional time and effort for his brain to digest that info; so the result will be lower compared to the one who knows about the game.
What makes you think people who don't know what baseball is are commonly being tested for IQ with questions about baseball? Scientists who study psychometrics look for these sorts of culturally biased questions, where people from certain groups do worse (or better) than would be expected given their results on other parts of the test. Such questions aren't difficult to detect, and once found they are eliminated. And of course there are widely used IQ tests, like Raven's progressive matrices, which are just shapes and puzzles with no language at all.
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Of course, this is exaggerated example, just to show how cultural difference affect the test. And I haven't seen any test that is not screwed one way or another. Heck, even new drug tests that are supposed to be all correct and scientifically proven turn out wrong in 44% cases on FDA approved medicines! They were either outright falsified, or just conducted incorrectly - and that's in a field where outcome can be measured more or less correctly; what to say about brain measurements?
Individual studies can be wrong or flawed but that doesn't negate entire branches of science. You seem to have some mistaken assumptions about all of this. I'd encourage you, if you are really interested, to read more about it. This is a good place to start.
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:47 AM
 
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Nah, they really had no choice and no defense. It's why the people and resources of Africa were mere - literal - commodities to the Arabs for hundreds of years before the Europeans arrived.


And following your logic, today Europe has a choice in whether or not to let savages in armed with Korans and backwards cultural values from the Middle East and Africa who mean nothing but harm and conquer and change the face of the continent while pillaging the wealth and social resources of their host countries.

So they should learn from the mistakes of the Africans and Native Americans and choose wisely. Only allow in the educated and those who want to assimilate. Small numbers at a time. Don't let savage cultures group together in shadow societies. Limit the intake in a measured manner.

Population and fertility waxes and wanes. They can get along just fine with automation and clean, stable population societies built on sustainability.

They don't need to import people from diametrically opposed cultures to sustain unsustainable welfare states. And they certainly don't need anyone like you living there, who happens to have massive chips on their shoulders because their people were conquered 500 years ago.

Europe of the future isn't worth **** if its just an extension of the Middle East and Africa. Thankfully the more experience Europeans have with "diversity" the less they seem to like it. Except the Germans. But Germans are just broken people. Like the soviets the best ones were either purged by dictators or died in wars. What's left after the turbulent 20th century are a pathetic heap of self-loathing ingrates. Thank god for leaders like Orban and Salvini - the real future of Europe.
Pffft...of course they had a choice. If Africans hadnít had so many internecine issues, they couldíve EASILY wiped out every European that arrived. You guys arenít superhuman...THEN or NOW!

The Vietnamese showed what can be done to European and American power, and they made relatively quick work of the United States and France. Once the Germans proved that the French were frauds, the French got ran off the atlas.

The only vestiges of Europeís power in Subsaharan Africa are the languages. The punk ass Europeans got ran off the continent. Lol
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:34 AM
 
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Black people bad, White people good, or black people good, White people bad? Tell us oh knowledgeable Detroiter
You do know that kind of question is way above his/her/its paygrade????
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