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Old Today, 09:34 AM
 
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“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
Having mixed thoughts regarding abortion, it should be legal in certain circumstances, and it is just a matter of when and under what limitations society deems appropriate.
While there are certainly religious aspects to the debate, using science alone (which this thread is about) focuses on facts, rather than faith or ideology.

Most pro-abortion people know that a fertilized egg will become an embryo. Most anti-abortion people know the same thing.
The argument as to whether an un-viable human embryo outside of the womb constitutes a living individual.
Biologically speaking it obviously does, but from an ethical and legal standpoint the bar is moving, and it is favoring the anti-abortion point of view.


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Old Today, 09:34 AM
 
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Oh... so you can grab that fertilized egg and leave it on the countertop and it will be just fine? Or do you have to stick it in the fridge?
Interesting point, since you CAN put sea turtle and alligator eggs in incubators and not rely on the female to carry them around for months.
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Old Today, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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I don't think it matters if it is a human being or not. It doesn't have a right to implant and develop and be born as a human baby. It doesn't work that way. Think of how many miscarriages there are. A great many more than most people realize. It's not a pregnancy until it implants and implantation certainly doesn't always happen. Human or not, a fertilized egg is not guaranteed to become a baby no matter how much someone wants it to and no matter what science or laws say.
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Old Today, 09:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Without human intervention to kill the growth, it is a life, with its own unique DNA, with a heartbeat.
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Old Today, 09:50 AM
 
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“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
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Old Today, 09:50 AM
 
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Without human intervention to kill the growth, it is a life, with its own unique DNA, with a heartbeat.
When 1/5 -1/4 of all pregnancies ends in miscarriage... there are ALOT of natural abortians.

So no, even without human intervention enormous amounts of embryos never develop.
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Old Today, 10:12 AM
 
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Having mixed thoughts regarding abortion, it should be legal in certain circumstances, and it is just a matter of when and under what limitations society deems appropriate.
While there are certainly religious aspects to the debate, using science alone (which this thread is about) focuses on facts, rather than faith or ideology.

Most pro-abortion people know that a fertilized egg will become an embryo. Most anti-abortion people know the same thing.
The argument as to whether an un-viable human embryo outside of the womb constitutes a living individual.
Biologically speaking it obviously does, but from an ethical and legal standpoint the bar is moving, and it is favoring the anti-abortion point of view.


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Yes, there are cases where there is a dire matter of life and death need for a woman to have an abortion.

The point is, for there to be a widespread vocal agenda to create the narrative that abortion is about the health of the mother, which is bulls*i*, and that it's just a clump of cell matter is an insult to women's intelligence and to their human ability to feel compassion for someone other than themselves.

PP is a business and have not one shred of concern for the woman. They just want your human "matter" that you are willing to give over to them and you pay them to take it!

Let's just call a spade a spade and say that "we don't give a damn if it's killing a human or not we want our abortions!" At least they'd be respected for being honest even if contemptible for their lack of respect towards human life.
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Old Today, 10:18 AM
 
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Let's just call a spade a spade and say that "we don't give a damn if it's killing a human or not we want our abortions!" At least they'd be respected for being honest even if contemptible for their lack of respect towards human life.
You should take that up with your republicans members... 51% of Republican males agree that women should be able to chose.

You know.. Freedom to do what you want with your body and life. The Republican mantra... whatever.

Its the religious freaks in your party that have a problem with women deciding over their own lives.
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Old Today, 10:20 AM
 
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Having mixed thoughts regarding abortion, it should be legal in certain circumstances, and it is just a matter of when and under what limitations society deems appropriate.
While there are certainly religious aspects to the debate, using science alone (which this thread is about) focuses on facts, rather than faith or ideology.

Most pro-abortion people know that a fertilized egg will become an embryo. Most anti-abortion people know the same thing.
The argument as to whether an un-viable human embryo outside of the womb constitutes a living individual.
Biologically speaking it obviously does, but from an ethical and legal standpoint the bar is moving, and it is favoring the anti-abortion point of view.


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Agreed. This is no news, no big revelation, that a fetus is alive and it is human. But is it a person? Does it have rights? If it does, what happens when one person's right to life conflicts with another person's right to control their own body?

If I had kidney failure, and you were the only one on earth with a match, could you be forced to donate a kidney to me so that I could live? What if you were my mother?
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Old Today, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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I've read that 40-60% of human fertilized eggs don't make it to birth under natural conditions. Does it matter if they are human or not? Does it matter if they have a heartbeat or not? Why are those particular features especially important to some people?
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