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Old 07-15-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...fertilization/

“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
So don't get an abortion then. You can believe what you want. Just leave me and everyone else out of it, let us make our own decision.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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Legal person hood matters. Life/Human or not/Whatever are all just distrationary red herrings tossed out by overly emotional hand wringers.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Agreed. This is no news, no big revelation, that a fetus is alive and it is human. But is it a person? Does it have rights? If it does, what happens when one person's right to life conflicts with another person's right to control their own body?

If I had kidney failure, and you were the only one on earth with a match, could you be forced to donate a kidney to me so that I could live? What if you were my mother?
That's an easy one to answer. Of course it has no rights. It can't vote. It can't be pandered to. It can't be indoctrinated. It can't be taxed(at least not directly). It has none of the qualities that would make it useful to the people who decide what rights we have and who those rights apply to.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...fertilization/

“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
Interesting, since this is what we were taught when I was in 7th Grade biology (1950-'s)
Everything about a person is determined at the instant of conception. EVERYTHING.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: London
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...fertilization/

“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
Okay then surely you're fine with newly pregnant women claiming child tax credits for their fetus?
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...fertilization/

“What I take out of these studies – provided they hold up under replication and further study – is that the factual dispute of the abortion debate has been resolved, and that we know abortion kills a biological human,” Jacobs said. “And since abortion is the killing of a human, it is a form of homicide. As a form of homicide, then, the central question is: Why is that homicide justifiable?”

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How DARE he say it's a human life!!!
So, then - Why don't we celebrate our "Conception Day" every year instead of our "Birthday"...?

Take all the time you need.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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Could you come back with something from a peer reviewed academic journal?
While perhaps not peer-reviewed, the second paragraph in this Breitbart article says this"
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"Steven Jacobs, Ph.D. completed his doctoral dissertation research (final publication pending, but an earlier version can be read here) recently at the University of Chicago, but only after a decade of investigation that ultimately led to his final study titled “Balancing Abortion Rights and Fetal Rights.”
To avoid having to form an account to read this rough draft studyt, try this link: bit.ly/2Y8PtZm. Sure, a rough draft means it is not finalized yet. However, this study does have over 60 footnotes and bottom-of-page cited sources.
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Abortion has nothing to do with wealth redistribution. It has to do with a woman's individual decision. Why some people agonize over it when they had absolutely nothing to do with her being in a position of choice, I don't know. Abortion wasn't considered murder in the bible, so they didn't get it there.
You think Planned Parenthood had an office at Palestine Blvd, between Temple and Main?

Rolling back odometers wasn't mentioned as fraud in the Bible either...has what to do with anything?
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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You know, I could almost believe the arguments that the right-to-life crowd use except for the fact that it is these same people who yell about blood-sucking leaches on welfare or Medicaid. First they want all fetuses, even unwanted ones in households unprepared to raise a child in a decent manner, to become citizens, but then they deny those same citizens any sort of help when they need it. These right-to-lifers should pony up the money it takes to raise all these babies they are saving.
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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A potential life isn't a human being.
You are a potential life...
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