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Old 07-16-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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This HUUUUGE injustice, crimes against humanity as it is known today, happened. But we should just look the other way as a nation with an Oh well, it is over now. Except it isn't. Without reconciliation there can be no meaningful forward motion.

Well, I'm reconciled just fine. I acknowledge our history good and bad but I'm not living in that past. If I were I wouldn't be moving forward. And I don't feel the need to apologize for history based merely on my White skin. We are ALL Americans now If you get divorced does sitting around moping, lamenting and apologizing for what you may have done wrong, and looking backwards dwelling on regrets gain you any forward momentum?


Black people who are holding grudges, bitterness and hatred for me because I was born White aren't gaining forward momentum either. Especially now with their status as a protected class of citizen and all the extreme platitudes and pandering offered them because they are Black. If they so much as insinuate that I am a racist I am immediately presumed guilty based on nothing more than my being White.


Whatever HUUUGE injustice happened here in the now distant past has nothing to do with me. I see Black people no differently than I see any other people. I'm not the one pointing out differences in skin tone as some sort of factor in determining what sort of person I'm dealing with. I'm not offering any apologies for history and don't believe I should be asked for one. An apology would imply that I did something wrong as an individual. That I somehow wronged someone. In this case Black people in general.


Not gonna happen. I have done nothing wrong. Or is it an unpardonable crime having been born White? If meaningful forward motion is the goal, then it's high time we left some things behind. I certainly don't advocate forgetting our history. That history teaches us many lessons and grants us the knowledge to not repeat our mistakes. But we don't need to continue to live in that history to learn those lessons.

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Old 07-16-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Maybe both blacks and whites should apologize for the racial conditions all over the world, or even better, stop talking and thinking about each other. But that won't happen because the two groups enjoy doing what they do.
A start would be to stop seeing "two groups".
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:42 AM
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Location: Columbia, SC
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I really hope she wins the nomination.
Only way that happens involves a fatal plane crash with all of the other Democratic candidates crashing into Hillary Clinton's house where Al Gore also just happens to be visiting.

538 has her one above last place in polling numbers. No one takes her seriously as a candidate.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:44 AM
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Location: Columbia, SC
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She's been a best-selling author for decades. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know who she is.
Or just not be interested in er type of books. I doubt anyone coud pull out the current bestseller list and tell us who most of those authors are.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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A start would be to stop seeing "two groups".
Doing so at the present time would:

1) run you afoul of federal law.
2) Definitely get you called racist.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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Then why do black people still face racial profiling? Discrimination in housing and lending?
Give an example of racial profiling where every variable except race is equal, leaving race as the sole determinant in a proven null hypothesis. By all means.

In housing and lending, give an example where all relevant financial measures, including credit score, work history, income, savings, debt-to-income ratio and collateral are all held equal and the only difference between applicants is race, yet still results ina provable null hypothesis on race discrimination. By all means.
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I never said one word about money.
I was being allegorical, not literal. Don't be the guy who goes down the pedantic fallacy route.

The reconciliation you speak of is rent seeking. Some form of compensatory "payment" is being sought, as if this will be some panacea that cures all historical ills. Whether it be in some manner of preferential treatment (see: "Affirmative Action"), special recognition (see: "Black/Hispanice History Month") or actual rent (see: "government assistance programs that are based specifically on race and exclude white people"), there is compensation being sought. White guilt becomes institutionalized and monetized as some form of perpetual apologetic bureaucracy. Be intellectually honest about that which you seek.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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A start would be to stop seeing "two groups".
Why? They are two groups, just as America and Australia are two different continents, two different groups of people. You do not like to recognize an apple from an orange? Or do you want the differences conveniently erased when it comes to black and white?
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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Doing so at the present time would:

1) run you afoul of federal law.
2) Definitely get you called racist.
I'll give you point #1. Not the other. I still stand by my statement. If we did this we would not have needed #1.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Why? They are two groups, just as America and Australia are two different continents, two different groups of people. You do not like to recognize an apple from an orange? Or do you want the differences conveniently erased when it comes to black and white?
It's all simply people. If you want to divide, have at it.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Give an example of racial profiling where every variable except race is equal, leaving race as the sole determinant in a proven null hypothesis. By all means.


In housing and lending, give an example where all relevant financial measures, including credit score, work history, income, savings, debt-to-income ratio and collateral are all held equal and the only difference between applicants is race, yet still results ina provable null hypothesis on race discrimination. By all means.

I was being allegorical, not literal. Don't be the guy who goes down the pedantic fallacy route.

The reconciliation you speak of is rent seeking. Some form of compensatory "payment" is being sought, as if this will be some panacea that cures all historical ills. Whether it be in some manner of preferential treatment (see: "Affirmative Action"), special recognition (see: "Black/Hispanice History Month") or actual rent (see: "government assistance programs that are based specifically on race and exclude white people"), there is compensation being sought. White guilt becomes institutionalized and monetized as some form of perpetual apologetic bureaucracy. Be intellectually honest about that which you seek.
I guess I can tell you that it is not money related. You won't believe me. I don't know what form it would take. That is jumping to a solution. A truth commission would have to happen before the determination of the reconciliation. Just paying money would be useless.
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