U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
10,891 posts, read 10,601,237 times
Reputation: 9562

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodynew View Post
This HUUUUGE injustice, crimes against humanity as it is known today, happened. But we should just look the other way as a nation with an Oh well, it is over now. Except it isn't. Without reconciliation there can be no meaningful forward motion.
Reconciliation for what? For something that happened to people who have been dead for over a hundred years? Tell you what, dig 'em up, put a twenty dollar gold piece in each coffin and rebury them if you think it will do anything for them now.

The "forward motion" happened a hundred and fifty some-odd years ago when over 500,000 WHITE folks decided slavery was wrong and gave their lives ending it. So, yeah. It is over. They won. They died. Slavery ended. I know that is a news flash for you, but it did happen. So instead of spitting on their graves, have some gratitude. There is nobody alive right now that lived as a slave in the United States. So there is nothing to apologize for, unless you want to apologize to the half million union soldiers who were slaughtered on the battlefield to free blacks. But I think it is time to move on.

 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:55 AM
 
625 posts, read 109,758 times
Reputation: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Give an example of racial profiling where every variable except race is equal, leaving race as the sole determinant in a proven null hypothesis. By all means.

In housing and lending, give an example where all relevant financial measures, including credit score, work history, income, savings, debt-to-income ratio and collateral are all held equal and the only difference between applicants is race, yet still results ina provable null hypothesis on race discrimination. By all means.

I was being allegorical, not literal. Don't be the guy who goes down the pedantic fallacy route.

The reconciliation you speak of is rent seeking. Some form of compensatory "payment" is being sought, as if this will be some panacea that cures all historical ills. Whether it be in some manner of preferential treatment (see: "Affirmative Action"), special recognition (see: "Black/Hispanice History Month") or actual rent (see: "government assistance programs that are based specifically on race and exclude white people"), there is compensation being sought. White guilt becomes institutionalized and monetized as some form of perpetual apologetic bureaucracy. Be intellectually honest about that which you seek.
Rent in ghettos, same as reservations. They aren't getting anything of value in exchange. That would be impossible.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
8,966 posts, read 8,010,606 times
Reputation: 3832
"Marianne Williamson asks...."


Who? Never heard of her.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 08:59 AM
 
52,154 posts, read 41,961,372 times
Reputation: 32552
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
I'll give you point #1. Not the other. I still stand by my statement. If we did this we would not have needed #1.
The problem is that if you oppress a group for a long period of time they do not have the accumulated wealth, family history of education etc.

As such, even if you had a completely colorblind society today the inequity of the starting points would still be unequal. Black families would still be on average more likely to be starting out in poverty.

The failure to recognize that wouldn't just get you called "unwoken" but racist these days. Keeping in mind that the word racist is broadly and swung around more than Ron Jeremy's 3rd leg.

This is the entire core argument behind reparations and other things as well and if we're being honest it's certainly got a least some degree of merit. (I'm talking about the phenomenon in general)
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:00 AM
 
1,724 posts, read 423,216 times
Reputation: 500
Should the Mongols apologize for what their ancestors leaded by Genghis Khan did a long time ago?

Btw, just imagine what if blacks asked to descendent of Jewish merchants to apologize for the slave-ships?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrfnGvSJDw

Then, if Egpytians were blacks, will they apologize to Jewish people for slavery?
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:01 AM
 
625 posts, read 109,758 times
Reputation: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
It's all simply people. If you want to divide, have at it.
No, it's not simply anything except for those who would rather conveniently tuck the issues away, keep them out of sight.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:06 AM
 
79,548 posts, read 33,842,034 times
Reputation: 15975
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
The problem is that if you oppress a group for a long period of time they do not have the accumulated wealth, family history of education etc.

As such, even if you had a completely colorblind society today the inequity of the starting points would still be unequal. Black families would still be on average more likely to be starting out in poverty.
We can argue that the starting points were not equal but that doesn't excuse that even in my lifetime blacks weren't even allowed to drink from the same water fountain and we still to this day have done little about our two tiered justice system.

Quote:
The failure to recognize that wouldn't just get you called "unwoken" but racist these days. Keeping in mind that the word racist is broadly and swung around more than Ron Jeremy's 3rd leg.

This is the entire core argument behind reparations and other things as well and if we're being honest it's certainly got a least some degree of merit. (I'm talking about the phenomenon in general)
I said from the beginning that there was a merit to it. I do not really support how it is presented here and stated why. If you wish to see things not based in color you have to do so. As I stated, if a child of an illegal is not responsible for the sins of the parent, neither is someone about something a great, great, great, great grandfather did.

We are still responsible for the continued inequalities.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
21,731 posts, read 11,176,218 times
Reputation: 7928
Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodynew View Post
This HUUUUGE injustice, crimes against humanity as it is known today, happened. But we should just look the other way as a nation with an Oh well, it is over now. Except it isn't. Without reconciliation there can be no meaningful forward motion.
God will judge if I am a racist. I have always treated black people with kindness and respect. I have no white guilt. I never oppressed any black person, yet I had a black person oppress me at a position I held and it was unjust . I never thought about it in race terms before but since the left wants to divide us in colors I was oppressed by a black person. I used to think of it as just a person.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:08 AM
 
79,548 posts, read 33,842,034 times
Reputation: 15975
Quote:
Originally Posted by aileesic View Post
No, it's not simply anything except for those who would rather conveniently tuck the issues away, keep them out of sight.
What makes an Australian different than you? Where they live? Taken to it's conclusion, you are arguing your next door neighbor is different than you.

It's all simply human beings.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:10 AM
 
625 posts, read 109,758 times
Reputation: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrw-500 View Post
Should the Mongols apologize for what their ancestors leaded by Genghis Khan did a long time ago?

Btw, just imagine what if blacks asked to descendent of Jewish merchants to apologize for the slave-ships?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrfnGvSJDw

Then, if Egpytians were blacks, will they apologize to Jewish people for slavery?
I really don't care to apologize to anyone for anything, and don't want anyone apologizing to me. But blacks and whites have been at it for quite a while now. Everyone else in the world has already divided up into their own people and cultures. I would like both sides to admit their wrongs and then go their own way.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top