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Old Yesterday, 07:42 AM
 
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Agreed. That's pretty much what I said.


That demand coming in the middle of the arrest is a bad idea, IMO, however.
There are still many (including the state) that is defending what he did.

People will go on and on about how great our country is and all about the Constitution but when some large black man has his rights violated the same people will defend that. (not saying that is you)
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Old Yesterday, 08:28 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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There are still many (including the state) that is defending what he did.

People will go on and on about how great our country is and all about the Constitution but when some large black man has his rights violated the same people will defend that. (not saying that is you)


Well, it really comes down to whether the hold deployed by the office was authorized or not, from my perspective.


If it was, this appears to lean more toward accidental death, IMO.


If it was not, there is some obvious negligence on the part of the arresting officer(s) and the NYPD as a whole.
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Old Yesterday, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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The city and community failed Garner?

He had a job. Reportedly he had to resign for health reasons, related to his weight.

Nonetheless, he was able to father a child who was 3 months old at the time of Garnerís death.

I see someone with a long track record of lousy choices.
Sex does not stop anyone. He also has a wife and had a love child with a side piece woman.
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Old Yesterday, 09:18 AM
 
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Well, it really comes down to whether the hold deployed by the office was authorized or not, from my perspective.
No it does not. He wasn't doing anything.


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If it was, this appears to lean more toward accidental death, IMO.


If it was not, there is some obvious negligence on the part of the arresting officer(s) and the NYPD as a whole.
Maybe I was wrong and it is about you also.
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Old Yesterday, 09:45 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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No it does not. He wasn't doing anything.

Well, he was being arrested, wasn't he? That's something. I'm not commenting on the validity, or lack thereof, of the arrest itself.




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Maybe I was wrong and it is about you also.


What is "about me", precisely?
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Old Yesterday, 09:48 AM
 
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Default N.Y. Police Commander Said Eric Garnerís Death ĎWasnít a Big Deal,í New Texts Reveal

The texts between commander Lt. Christopher Bannon and Sgt. Dhanan Saminath were revealed for the first time Thursday during the disciplinary hearing for accused officer Daniel Pantaleo, who faces termination for his reckless use of a chokehold that lead to Garnerís death.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2019/05...-texts-reveal/


Police culture.

Police culture is a type of organizational culture that contains unwritten roles and social codes that dictate the way that a person within the culture will function, as well as building a strong sense of solidarity among the group and a will to conform. Police culture deals specifically with the behavior of officers within the force.

Police culture has several main characteristics that can be seen among members. These include an exaggerated sense of the duty of police work and the importance of stopping crime, a celebration of all masculine traits, a willingness to assume force in situations and a desire for crime-oriented tasks rather than more menial desk-oriented tasks.

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Old Yesterday, 09:57 AM
 
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Well, he was being arrested, wasn't he? That's something. I'm not commenting on the validity, or lack thereof, of the arrest itself.
No, you can not just dismiss that they had no reason to even touch him.
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Old Yesterday, 10:00 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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No, you can not just dismiss that they had no reason to even touch him.


And I didn't. I addressed this in my first post on that topic - in the middle of the arrest is NOT the time to try to adjudicate it's validity, especially by physically resisting. It's dangerous, and reasonably so.


Again, you can't say "I was right!" when you're dead.
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Old Yesterday, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Boston
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do what the police tell you to do and you'll be fine. Garner was a stain on society, glad he's gone.
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Old Yesterday, 10:03 AM
 
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Garner was not a model citizen.
He was being pursued for selling cigarettes.

He said 11 times he can't breathe.

I'm not sure death by choking is the appropriate punishment.
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