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Old Today, 07:39 AM
 
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If there is any criticism to be had in this case it is a delay in post-arrest medical care. But based on Mr. Garnerís health itís unlikely that a minute or two delay would make a difference.
Still.................they did not even try. And why not? Because, they knew Eric and did not care? Reminds me of the people trying for a new life at the southern border..................they are humans, just because you may not like them, they are human beings, someone's child, mother, brother, sister. Why is this forgotten, so many times?

So, because Eric had asthma, it's ok that he died? I have a relative that just passed away, recently. He had asthma and lived to be 83................Eric, should have been given a chance. Trying to tell that mob of cops that he could not breathe, should have been a huge clue. Were they afraid of something? sickening. Maybe, those cops and first responders need to find another line of work. Complacent?
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Old Today, 08:21 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Those who were called to render aid also stood around and watched him die. The police called the wrong emergency responders out. The call went out that someone was "hurt" not that someone was dying. But that was no "big loss"....

Cite, please. NYC has different EMTs to respond to calls for injury vs. calls for other medical emergencies?
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Old Today, 08:27 AM
 
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"The New York Post posted the video of Garner on the sidewalk lifeless as police, who had previously slammed him to the ground and put him in a chokehold, stood around. The 7-minute video shows several NYPD officers crouched around Garner, who is handcuffed and not moving. One officer suggested they should call an ambulance, but instead, the team of police searched his pockets."

https://www.ibtimes.com/eric-garner-...s-more-1635388

"About four minutes into the video, EMS workers arrived but provided little emergency aid to Garner. One female worker, whom the Post named as Nicole Palmeri, checked Garner’s pulse before she walked away and left the man with police. The camera panned to other officers, who continued to stand around and stare at a lifeless Garner."
Do you see the inconsistency here. First instead of calling an ambulance they searched his pockets. But somehow 4 minutes into the video EMS workers arrive.

Maybe I am wrong here EMS workers don't come with an ambulance?
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Old Today, 08:34 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Those who were called to render aid also stood around and watched him die. The police called the wrong emergency responders out. The call went out that someone was "hurt" not that someone was dying. But that was no "big loss"
They rendered aid by calling an ambulance. They cannot give him a triple bypass surgery. They are not trained to, nor are they required to.

And again, they are not medical doctors or EMT; they cannot conclude that he is "dying."

And no they are not required to give him mouth to mouth resuscitation.

THey are not responsible for his previous health conditions and problems that led up to his death.
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Old Today, 08:41 AM
 
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Old Today, 08:41 AM
 
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Cite, please. NYC has different EMTs to respond to calls for injury vs. calls for other medical emergencies?
First lets note that the medical center sent out to assist Garner also paid out a $1 million dollar settlement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/n...1-million.html

When the fire department took over operation of the cityís ambulances and the dispatching of both public and private ambulances, a goal was set of responding to 90 percent of serious medical emergencies with an Advanced Life Support ambulance staffed with paramedics in 10 minutes or less.

https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/ems2013.html

The ALS unit was not sent out, and EMS unit was because the officer had called it in as an accident, not as someone dying.
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Old Today, 08:47 AM
 
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They rendered aid by calling an ambulance. They cannot give him a triple bypass surgery. They are not trained to, nor are they required to.

And again, they are not medical doctors or EMT; they cannot conclude that he is "dying."

And no they are not required to give him mouth to mouth resuscitation.

THey are not responsible for his previous health conditions and problems that led up to his death.
Maybe not, but they are definitely responsible for exacerbating the problem, that led up to his death.
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Old Today, 08:47 AM
 
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First lets note that the medical center sent out to assist Garner also paid out a $1 million dollar settlement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/n...1-million.html

When the fire department took over operation of the cityís ambulances and the dispatching of both public and private ambulances, a goal was set of responding to 90 percent of serious medical emergencies with an Advanced Life Support ambulance staffed with paramedics in 10 minutes or less.

https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/ems2013.html

The ALS unit was not sent out, and EMS unit was because the officer had called it in as an accident, not as someone dying.
Please do your due diligence, apply the same effort, and show us a link that says that officers are qualified and should be able to determine when someone without any external serious physical injuries is "dying."


We'll wait.
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Old Today, 08:49 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Maybe not, but they are definitely responsible for exacerbating the problem, that led up to his death.
No he was responsible for that as well. He doesn't have the right to resist arrest.
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Old Today, 08:49 AM
 
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Do you see the inconsistency here. First instead of calling an ambulance they searched his pockets. But somehow 4 minutes into the video EMS workers arrive.

Maybe I am wrong here EMS workers don't come with an ambulance?
That is pathetic and unbelievable that some of those cops actually searched his pockets after he was already dead!!!
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