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Old 07-18-2019, 05:31 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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You got proof that most Americans support him?
I guess well have to wait for his reelection fo satisfy people like you.
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Old 07-18-2019, 05:33 AM
 
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Absolutely. But one DOES have every right and responsibility to judge that opinion.


Freedom of expression and freedom of association does NOT guarantee ones right to be agreed with. But there are, rightly, limits of freedoms, including this one as hate speech is so often associated with incitement to violence.
Trumpís speech broke Federal laws describing hate speech
If he has used that speech in the work place he could have been fired and sued...
And the audience was sucking it up like drugs at a rave
Trump has hit the vein of racism that has existed in America since before it was a country

Of course our Constitution supports Free Speech
But Trump doesnít support it
If he did he would respect the right of those 4 women to criticism him
He uses that aspect of our democracy to tear down the very traditions that have made America the best country in the world...

So not only is he a racistóhe is a hypocrite
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Old 07-18-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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Absolutely. But one DOES have every right and responsibility to judge that opinion.
That's right and if they want to judge then they will be judge also !!! That's the way its supposed work !!! In this country !!!


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Freedom of expression and freedom of association does NOT guarantee ones right to be agreed with. But there are, rightly, limits of freedoms, including this one as hate speech is so often associated with incitement to violence.
No one is asking or expecting a guarantee !!!
Hate speech as defined by democrats is any speech they don't approve of or that is different than what they want to hear !!! That is what is rightfully being rejected !!!

Speech people don't like is countered by speech they do like, not shutting the door on speech !!! That's the issue !!! This is the issue of American values and freedom !!!

If holding up the likeness of the Presidents severed head or pointing a gun at it, as has been done, doesn't incite violence or violate the incitement to violence the false outrage of the words at issue are smaller potatoes !!!
American values are about expanding the rights of the individual and nothing is more valuable than speech and free expression !!! Shutting that down is what leads to violence !!!

Democrats are clearly trying to narrow the rights of people to freely express their opinions !!!

Some time ago someone ask what freedoms have been lost as a result of democrats !!!
This is an example of rights they want to take away from free thinking individuals. Its clear what they want !!! Sing our tune or we will shut you up !!! That is the American values as seen and expressed by democrats !!! The clown squad is trying to take full advantage under the shade of those democrat values !!! They are not American values and never have been !!!

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Old 07-18-2019, 05:35 AM
 
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I can imagine he'd be somber and crying about how we need to get along and stop throwing dirt. How soon people forget after he was shot how they pleaded to get along. It'll take another shooting to their attention again, unfortunately.
Steve Scalise is just a GOP politician who wants to reverse engineer social history
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:04 AM
 
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Trump’s speech broke Federal laws describing hate speech
If he has used that speech in the work place he could have been fired and sued...
And the audience was sucking it up like drugs at a rave
Trump has hit the vein of racism that has existed in America since before it was a country
Your opinion supported by nothing !!! He used it in his work place, as is his right to do !!!

Democrats would love nothing better than to shut down the right of the President to speak and defend the nation !!! Democrat media is trying their best to help them but is failing b/c he has unfiltered access to the people !!!

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Of course our Constitution supports Free Speech
But Trump doesn’t support it
If he did he would respect the right of those 4 women to criticism him
He uses that aspect of our democracy to tear down the very traditions that have made America the best country in the world...
Again opinion supported by nothing !!!
Trump is making the case, quite correctly, they are criticizing the country, the Nation, they are ungrateful to and want to change thorough anarchy and poverty !!!

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So not only is he a racist—he is a hypocrite
Maybe you can convince people that Trump and millions of his supporters are racist but it doesn't look like it so far !!!

As to hypocrite, what politician isn't at some point ?!?!?!
All it really means is Trump has become Presidential just like democrats what him to be !!!

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Old 07-18-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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That's right and if they want to judge then they will be judge also !!! That's the way its supposed work !!! In this country !!!




No one is asking or expecting a guarantee !!!
Hate speech as defined by democrats is any speech they don't approve of or that is different than what they want to hear !!! That is what is rightfully being rejected !!!

Speech people don't like is countered by speech they do like, not shutting the door on speech !!! That's the issue !!! This is the issue of American values and freedom !!!

If holding up the likeness of the Presidents severed head or pointing a gun at it, as has been done, doesn't incite violence or violate the incitement to violence the false outrage of the words at issue are smaller potatoes !!!
American values are about expanding the rights of the individual and nothing is more valuable than speech and free expression !!! Shutting that down is what leads to violence !!!

Democrats are clearly trying to narrow the rights of people to freely express their opinions !!!

Some time ago someone ask what freedoms have been lost as a result of democrats !!!
This is an example of rights they want to take away from free thinking individuals. Its clear what they want !!! Sing our tune or we will shut you up !!! That is the American values as seen and expressed by democrats !!! The clown squad is trying to take full advantage under the shade of those democrat values !!! They are not American values and never have been !!!
Words can incite violence. You can stand by trump's hateful language as much as you want, that is your right. However, he is supposed to be for all the people of the U.S.; not just for the radical and other needy, people that are swayed and easily brain washed. He is a selfish individual, for himself, the narcissist, that he is. Too bad, he has you and others fooled.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Words can incite violence. You can stand by trump's hateful language as much as you want, that is your right. However, he is supposed to be for all the people of the U.S.; not just for the radical and other needy, people that are swayed and easily brain washed. He is a selfish individual, for himself, the narcissist, that he is. Too bad, he has you and others fooled.
Go back to the farm/collective and remind them there is only one way to think !!!

They will believe it !!! No sell here !!!
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Will he be an accomplice if Omar is assassinated from his putting a target on her - falsely accusing her as an Al Qaeda sympathizer? Wonder how Gabby Gifford took his rally and his putting targets on the members of Congress. Or Steve Scalise?
Things have definitely taken an ugly turn here.

Wonder if our nation will ever recover from Trump.
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Trump branded the clown "squad" with their own hate filled words and they are cooperating with him and try their best to get Trump reelected !!!
What do we need to know from someone who marries her brother ?


Omar introduces Israel boycott resolution and likens Jewish state to Nazi Germany, Soviet Union
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oma...y-soviet-union

While the resolution doesn’t explicitly name Israel or the pro-Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, she told media outlets that the resolution concerns the Jewish state.


Will Omar and Tlaib get OK to visit Israel? It may be all up to Netanyahu

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/net...f-jewish-state


Meanwhile, Israeli law permits authorities to deny entry to any people who support a boycott of the Jewish state -- which both U.S. lawmakers have done.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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Again, any comments by other people are irrelevant as to whether Trump's 7/14 Tweet is inherently racist or not. It either is or is not irrespective of what anyone else utters.

Telling/suggesting to those three people...who were all born in the U.S.... to 'go back', whether for a five day fact finding mission or permanently, is an inherently racist statement.
Yes it is! The world agrees with you! Additionally, the staggering amount of spin from the apologists ( social media professionals and amateurs alike ) regarding Trump's Twitter attack and ongoing deep dive into misogyny, xenophobia and racism, is astonishing and transparently disingenuous and dishonest. According to them:

He either intentionally laid a race baiting trap for the Democrats with his obscene statements on 4 women of color and Nancy and the world fell for it.

Or the SJWs are overreacting and Trump does not have a racist bone is his body and Trump's rhetoric is free speech and has nothing to do with ethnicity, gender and race and btw congresswomen are not supposed to express differing views from the POTUS because it is disrespectful and Un-American to do one's job and he did tell them to come back.

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That's nothing more than an opinion and other opinions are in disagreement !!! People are free to decide if it is going to be their opinion !!! No one has the right to force an opinion like this on anyone else or how to express their opinion on it !!!
Freedom of expression !!! Freedom of association !!! That is something that people are attacking and want to dictate to others !!! It needs to be rejected and people have a right to reject it !!!

Its a POV that has been around a long time where people who are proud to be in a particular place invite people who aren't to go elsewhere so they can be happy and proud to be there. Don't like the place you're in go else where !!! Its just that simple !!! Don't like Denver go back to L.A. !!! Don't like NYC go back to Nebraska !!! Don't like America go back to wherever you came from where you were happy !!! Go to a better place if you don't like the place you are in !!! Assimilate to where you are that may be different than what you are use to or get out if you can't !!! Non racist !!! Remember the rule of real estate, location, location, location !!! You pick it, its doesn't pick you !!!
Don't like it on the farm !!! Go to the city and that's just what a lot of people did !!! That is the origin of love it or leave it and where many people heard it for the first time !!!
Nothing to do with race or gender !!!
The lady doth protest too much, methinks!

President Trump used a longstanding slur against African Americans and other minorities. The ‘go back’ trope is deeply rooted in the history of racism in the United States. Racist is the proper term to apply to the language he used Sunday. Period!

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