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Old 07-22-2019, 06:29 PM
 
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Neither the far left or the far right believe in basic human freedoms. Both extremes want to control everybody and everything. They just don't realize that they are more alike than they are different. They differ only in the details of their control mechanisms. The salvation of this country lies in the middle of the spectrum to the extent the middle can keep either extreme from seizing total control.
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Old 07-22-2019, 06:32 PM
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
All the time. Both parties hijacked by sheer lunatics.
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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Nope. The left has tried the "divide and conquer" approach for so long it has created the situation where we are today. The left is so far left that their icon JFK would be called an extreme right nazi by them if he was alive today.

I draw historical parallels to the late 1850s. The issues dividing America at the time were states rights and slavery. There was very little middle ground and both sides continued to dig in deeper until...

Now fast forward to contemporary America and we are just as staunchly divided as we were in the 1850s but the issues dividing us are illegal immigration and progressive socialism. It's only getting worse.
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Nope. The left has tried the "divide and conquer" approach for so long it has created the situation where we are today. The left is so far left that their icon JFK would be called an extreme right nazi by them if he was alive today.

I draw historical parallels to the late 1850s. The issues dividing America at the time were states rights and slavery. There was very little middle ground and both sides continued to dig in deeper until...

Now fast forward to contemporary America and we are just as staunchly divided as we were in the 1850s but the issues dividing us are illegal immigration and progressive socialism. It's only getting worse.
It's not just the far left. I think the extremism of the far left is a reaction to what started years ago in the Republican Party with the Tea Party, which was, and is, a far right group. They are called the Freedom Caucus in Congress, now. Extremism to the point of almost being un-American, IMO. Working with Russia to defeat an American opponent is un-American, and the Freedom Caucus is front and center with that position. They were bad before, but I think the Party will be stuck with that moniker (Russian puppets) for some time.

The left got more left as a reaction to the Tea Party, IMO. Keep in mind that NO Democrat was ever viewed as anything but far left, no matter how moderate. Clinton was mercilessly attacked by the right, even though he pushed Republican agreements and legislation (like NAFTA and "welfare reform"). Obama was not far left in any way except health reform...and the Republicans had an opportunity to work across the aisle for health care reform, but chose not to. John Boehner pointed out that for all their talk, the Republicans had never introduced a health care program in the 25 years that he was in the House. So Obama did something. Granted, that was bold. But he was generally moderate. He didn't seek to remove all of George W. Bush's work (like Trump has done w/Obama, as his express stated goal). He continued Bush's military policies, tax cuts, and other things. Obama reached out to work with Republicans....It was McConnell who stated at the get-go that their "number one goal would be to see that Obama would not have a second term." So there you are. Extremism over country. Extremism over health care. Extremism over moderation.

But the reaction by Democrats has left the moderates in a quandary. I don't want us to pay to wipe out student loans taken out by millions of people who rec'd an education from it, but suddenly are surpried they have to pay off the loan? I don't want the taxpayer to guarantee a universal income, with nothing in return for it. We can't afford to provide free healthcare to millions of illegal immigrants. Expanding Medicare somewhat doesn't sound like a good idea, but I'm willing to listen to that. But we can't afford all the free giveaways.

But I don't want to privatize Social Security or cut Medicare so that it withers on the vine (as Newt Gingrich explained the plan to get rid of Medicare). Ending those two programs would guarantee that millions of seniors would fall into abject poverty, and die early deaths after suffering. That is why those programs were created in the first place. I don't want to continue allowing the earth's wildlife to die off (we've lost half the wildlife on earth in the last few decades). I don't want to continue letting filth spew into our atmosphere, and pretending that's okay.

Looking for a normal, decent person who puts country before party, people before money, wants to provide safety nets but for those who have worked for it and funded it.
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