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Old Today, 02:58 PM
 
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So what’s the worst you could get from the far right versus the far left? To me, the worst of the far right is going after abortion, but there’s still the Supreme Court ruling. The worst we can get with the far left is the utter destruction of our country. So it’s a no-brainer for me.
Phrasing the question that way, obviously your answer is going to be a no-brainer.

However, the reality is that if we swayed extreme right or extreme left, it would damage our country greatly.

The reality is that our choices are not Far Right or Far Left unless we just zombie/sheep walk our way into that. Which we may. But I would have no interest in answering the question "which would be better or worse for the country" because either would be bad.
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Old Today, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
No because I have no idea where you stand. The labels don't mean anything.

Do you want less Federal government spending so the power goes into the hands of the states? Do you want to bring the troops home to keep them out of other nations civil wars?
If so, then party wise, you're out in the cold. Neither party wants to cut spending or reduce the nation building.
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Old Today, 03:21 PM
 
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Vote for CANDIDATES. I live in KS so my presidential vote was a complete waste as usual. But I did vote for Charise Davids (D) so there is that. She's pretty reasonable.

Pretty simple.

I don't vote in primaries as I'm unafilliated but the more you support solid moderate non-nutjobs the more you keep the morons from tipping the boat over so to speak.
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Old Today, 03:24 PM
 
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Luckily, Trump is inept and has signed no significant legislation even though the GOP had a headlock on DC power until Jan 2019.
How about the Tax Cuts? You just wake up from a coma or something?
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Old Today, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You speak for a LOT of people, myself being one of them.

I truly would like to know why has no one come forward and been a candidate for us moderates -- or at least tried to form some kind of Moderate Party? If such a party or candidate would have a platform that would appeal to the majority of people in the working poor and middle class and would advocate being at least tolerant of ALL people, but without pandering to any special interest group, I think that both the current Republicans (whose base now seems to consist mainly of fundamentalist Christians and the wealthy) and the Democrats (who now seem to care about the rights and welfare of everyone but working and income-tax-paying citizens) would be beaten in a landslide.

I bet there would be plenty of people like myself who would give our voices, votes and some of our money to any moderate who would have even a 10% chance of winning.

Your second embolden comment is why no one has come forth and created that center party. It is because that statement is based on a lie.

the CNN Interview with the Ohio family full of former Democrats is the best example of this. The phrase " working class income tax payers" is nothing more than trying to say "Straight and white" in sugarcoated language.
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Old Today, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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Anyone else feel the same way?

Not at all



Just depends on how much you depend on government and how much you are willing
for them to dictate your life, the Democratic Socialistic Party has made it's intentions
very clear for all except for the blind, deaf and stupid.
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Old Today, 03:35 PM
 
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Your second embolden comment is why no one has come forth and created that center party. It is because that statement is based on a lie.

the CNN Interview with the Ohio family full of former Democrats is the best example of this. The phrase " working class income tax payers" is nothing more than trying to say "Straight and white" in sugarcoated language.
While I grant that you have the right to disagree with me about what Democrats stand for (although I think you are wrong), you are WAY incorrect in stating that "working class" is sugarcoating "straight and white" -- or don't you think that there are any working class* non-whites and/or non-straights?

*However, I do realize that my definition of "working class" might be different from your definition of "working class" as was discussed in a thread a few weeks ago, if memory serves. (Sorry, I don't remember the title of the thread or I would link it.) In any case, MY definition of "working class" is a household in which at least one member works a total of at least 40 hours a week, but that the household has significantly less (I would say at least 20% less) than the median U.S. household income -- and I would bet my last dollar that there are literally millions of people who aren't white and/or straight who meet that definition!

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Old Today, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Same boat here man. The 2016 election and these last mid terms had me scratching my head. Trying to be at the middle of the road will get you squished by the racing two way traffic. I used to sort of float both ways but now it seems like it's all or nothing.
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Old Today, 03:40 PM
 
Location: WY
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The phrase " working class income tax payers" is nothing more than trying to say "Straight and white" in sugarcoated language.
Someone else back on Page 1 wrote this: Voting is an act of violence against your fellow citizen

To the OP - this forum is not the place to get actual advice that you can take to heart. You are surrounded (both on this forum, in the media and by both major political parties) by lies designed to a) pull your strings b) keep you ignorant and compliant and c) allow certain people to maintain - or regain - power.

Bottom lines:

a) read a lot from a lot of different sources - watch videos from a lot of different sources

b) stay out of echo chambers and don't waste your time arguing. You can't win and life is too short to argue with strangers on the internet

c) talk face-to-face with actual real life people whose judgment in general you trust

d) think for yourself

e) know that all you can do is the best you can do. Make the best decisions you can. End of story.
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Old Today, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

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Anyone else feel the same way?
Yes I feel about the same. I don't even recognize the Republican party any more, and with Trump running the show I'm not inclined to vote for them. I'm not that thrilled by the Democrats either. Neither party appeals to me at the moment. There's been a few times over the past decade when I just voted with my feet.

I don't know that the current fractured two-party system can be resolved without a change to the voting system. Something like the 'Approval Voting' method used by many learned societies would adapt better to a multi-candidate presidential election, and would make it possible to elect more moderate-leaning candidates. For that reason, neither party will want it.
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