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Old Today, 11:22 AM
 
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
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Old Today, 11:26 AM
 
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Yep.

I mostly try to vote towards keeping checks and balances in place. Don't want to see one party in charge of everything.
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Old Today, 11:36 AM
 
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Stop voting altogether.

Voting is an act of violence against your fellow citizen, but The Party (same org, just two factions inside the clubhouse) has you convinced that harming your fellow man is necessary and proper, as well as just plain good for you.

Don't vote for anyone in any party. Your vote was meaningless other than giving implicit sanction to the broken system it is part of, won't change what the elected mafia does once they are elected, and doesn't actually help change anything. If you don't vote, you resist giving your consent, your sanction an your participation in their theater of the absurd.

It's a small thing to others, you holding on to your principles and not compromising them, but it's one of the few things they cannot simply take from you via brute force. You have to give consent. It cannot be forced out of you. Since nothing you do will change how they behave, resist with one of the only real freedoms you have left - opt out of the game entirely and you can always look in the mirror and be satisfied that the person therein didn't simply sigh and play the game.

The longer we sanction their game, the longer they'll keep playing it.
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Old Today, 11:48 AM
 
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Vote Libertarian

Though the Party is split to.
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Old Today, 11:51 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Voters keep replacing sane voices with extreme ideologues. Partisans seem to be voting in primaries at higher rates than moderates.
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Old Today, 11:56 AM
 
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Voters keep replacing sane voices with extreme ideologues. Partisans seem to be voting in primaries at higher rates than moderates.
I'm sure it's always been that way as they have been the loudest.
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Old Today, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Houston
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Yes. All of the time! POTUS voting in a red state allows me to vote 3rd party. If that ever changes, I’ll be forced to pick one of those extremists.

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Old Today, 12:00 PM
 
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

Anyone else feel the same way?
You speak for a LOT of people, myself being one of them.

I truly would like to know why has no one come forward and been a candidate for us moderates -- or at least tried to form some kind of Moderate Party? If such a party or candidate would have a platform that would appeal to the majority of people in the working poor and middle class and would advocate being at least tolerant of ALL people, but without pandering to any special interest group, I think that both the current Republicans (whose base now seems to consist mainly of fundamentalist Christians and the wealthy) and the Democrats (who now seem to care about the rights and welfare of everyone but working and income-tax-paying citizens) would be beaten in a landslide.

I bet there would be plenty of people like myself who would give our voices, votes and some of our money to any moderate who would have even a 10% chance of winning.
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Old Today, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
I feel exactly the same way.

I lean more Democratic than Republican, but I’m more of an “old school” New Deal Democrat. I get turned off by some of the positions of the modern day Democratic Party.
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Old Today, 12:05 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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As a moderate, I find myself now with no party to vote for.

The Republican Party has become something that I don't recognize as even being American. But the Democrats have gone bonkers, with a race to see how far left they can go, and which one can promise to give away more free stuff, and have shifted away from representing the middle class worker.

I'm middle class, retired, and moderate (although liberal ideologically, I'm sill moderate, as opposed to far left, but not tooo far from just to the right of center).

The increasing polarization is leaving the moderate voter out in the cold, or being forced to choose between two extremes. No one seems to represent my interests, anymore.

I guess I'll have to look at the third parties? They can't win and often just serve as spoilers, so I don't know about that. I've been a reliable voter in the past, but I've not run across this situation ever in my adulthood - where neither party represents my interests or people like me.

Anyone else feel the same way?
I've been thinking the exact same thoughts for a few years now. I find myself without anyone to vote for.

I'm middle class, socially liberal and fiscally moderate, as in I believe in the some basic safety nets and recognize the need to educate our citizens. I don't believe in cradle to grave government coddling that the far left want. Again, has to be some moderate point of pulling oneself up by the boots and some level of social safety nets.


The tune the Dimwits are playing now is concerning to me. The free this and free that horsecrap isn't sitting well with me as I know someone has to pay the bill for all of that free stuff. There are only so many rich people in the country.

I work with a far lefty loony dumbass that thinks it's ok to tax millionaires 70 to 90 percent of their incomes. I personally think it's immoral as hell to take 90% of someone's money. His argument is that if someone makes 10 million a year and he still gets to keep one million that it's ok. It's ok because what is he going to do, stop working?? No he still has to make a living.

That kind of mentality makes me literally want to vomit.
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