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Old 07-18-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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I think that analogy makes no sense.

When a Floridian tells a Californian to go home, it is very different. There is no Floridian citizenship. People can move from one state to another anytime they want. It is their right, no application, naturalization etc. required.

Those four women are 100% American, though, just like Trump. Trump puts it as if they were less American just because they hold very different political views - which makes no sense since it is not North Korea, hopefully.
The analogy works.
Californians and NYers are known for moving to other states and then complaining and degrading those states and wanting changes made that aren’t a part of those states’ culture.
That was Trump’s (badly done) complaint — the Squad constantly degrades and complains about America, supports a culture of racism towards whites and Jews, supports terrorists, wants open borders and no American sovereignty and degrades our police, border patrol, ICE and law enforcement institutes — calls them worse than Hitler and the NAZIs, makes up lies about “concentration camps” and drinking out of toilets, calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist and none of this hate and degrading of America and it’s institutions is acceptable to most Americans.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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Trump: "Go back to the countries with broken, corrupt govts, fix them, then come back and show us how you did it"


Once again the usual Democrats are up to their usual tactics, misquoting the President, concentrating on minor quibbles, ignoring the important parts, twisting what he said into something else, and the bashing him for that instead of the main point he was making.

These people need some new tactics. These haven't worked for them for a long time. And the more they try it, the more people learn to ignore them, and the farther behind they fall.

It's instructive to look at what the President DID say... all of it, for a change.

On July 14, 2019, President Trump said in a series of tweets:

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run.

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough.


Obviously, he wasn't kicking them out of the country, or even implying it, contrary to what the Dem fanatics are now frantically screaming.

He was saying that, if they wanted to tell the rest of us how to "fix" the United States' problems, they should first go to the corrupt, failing countries they favor, fix the far more severe problems there, and then come back to the US and tell us how they did it.

He was implying, obviously, that these congressmen couldn't tell a severe problem if it bit them, much less have any idea how to fix it. And he was suggesting that they get some experience in solving ACTUAL severe problems, before telling others how to do it.

The congressmen, of course, absolutely do not want to discuss any of that. So they are seizing on his mistake where he said "who originally came from countries...", as though that were the most important thing he said.

They clearly want to divert the discussion from the most important points: That they have little or no idea what they are talking about and merely want to run down the United States, while offering no solutions and being unwilling to even try. Instead, they keep screaming and whining that he wants to throw them out, wants to throw colored people out, etc. etc..... none of which he ever said or even implied.

But it beats talking about what he did say.... and the fact that they cannot reply to it.

It's a standard Democrat-fanatic technique to ignore most of what someone says, pick out an unimportant quibble, and concentrate all their attention and vitriol on that, trying to put people on the defensive over minor matters so they won't talk about the main points that are actually important.

And they are doing it more and more, as they continue to lose their voter base and Trump moves closer to re-election despite their loudest and most hysterical efforts.
Is it funnier when pointing a Democrat cherry picked a series of tweets or quotes or when a Republican does it?
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:46 PM
 
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Trump just nominated the first Female African American to be a General in the USMC....Trump is so racist and sexist.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:09 PM
 
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Many of the countries where immigrants have come from are hellholes because of US interventions. That alone makes Trump's statements sound stupid, ignorant, and hypocritical.
Not to mention that he falsely thinks he speaks for "real Americans", as if the other half of the country's population have just drifted ashore :rolleyes
Really? I got news for you ... many of those countries were ****holes before the United States even existed.

I the case of Somalia, that was the central hub of the slave trade industry, before the US colonies existed.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:24 PM
 
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The flaw in your argument is the fact that atleast 2 of the people you mentioned are generationally americans.

Him telling them to go to any random country and fix them doesnt make any sense.


so either his comment had no malice, but was nonsensical.

Or

it was purposeful and racist.


You pick.
No, there is another option .... he was obviously referring to the blowhard from Somalia, which anyone with any knowledge of that ****hole, understands what a ****hole it is. He didn’t feel it necessary to point out the obvious, because he wasn’t speaking to a democrat crowd.

Secondly, he, along with his supporters are intelligent enough to understand that Racism is about Race, not nationality. The two are not synonymous, except in the tiny minds of the perpetual victim class that make up the democrat base, who naturally interpret EVERYTHING as racism .... because that’s how real racists think..

Of course, I realize that not one word of what I just typed will be understood by those among that base, because everyone knows that only white men can be racists, since everything they do is motivated by their racism.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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The analogy works.
Californians and NYers are known for moving to other states and then complaining and degrading those states and wanting changes made that aren’t a part of those states’ culture.
That was Trump’s (badly done) complaint — the Squad constantly degrades and complains about America, supports a culture of racism towards whites and Jews, supports terrorists, wants open borders and no American sovereignty and degrades our police, border patrol, ICE and law enforcement institutes — calls them worse than Hitler and the NAZIs, makes up lies about “concentration camps” and drinking out of toilets, calls anyone who disagrees with them a racist and none of this hate and degrading of America and it’s institutions is acceptable to most Americans.
I don’t think it was badly stated ... I think it was mild. He could have said ... and most thinking Americans would have applauded him for saying it .... “If you hate America so much, then take your ungrateful, hijab wearing, terrorist sympathizing, Jew hating arse back to that terrorist infested ****hole from wince you came, and let us know how much better you have it”.

That’s what I wish he said, cuz that’s what needs to be said.
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Old Yesterday, 12:07 PM
 
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Really? I got news for you ... many of those countries were ****holes before the United States even existed.

I the case of Somalia, that was the central hub of the slave trade industry, before the US colonies existed.
In Latin America the US has caused a lot of problems and hence migration due all to those ideological crusades against leftist governments. Not much different in the Muslim world where the US has almost always been on the wrong side. But with Muslims it is mostly Europe that pays the price for US misdeeds as people migrate to nearby Europe.

In Somalia the US was less involved, there the problems result from the colonial times. Italy, Britain etc.
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Old Today, 09:13 AM
 
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In Latin America the US has caused a lot of problems and hence migration due all to those ideological crusades against leftist governments. Not much different in the Muslim world where the US has almost always been on the wrong side. But with Muslims it is mostly Europe that pays the price for US misdeeds as people migrate to nearby Europe.

In Somalia the US was less involved, there the problems result from the colonial times. Italy, Britain etc.
You seem to be in desperate need of more accurate lessons in history. While I would never argue against the contention that American foreign policy in the 20th century has often been disastrously flawed, and particularly so regarding the Middle East, the fundamental problems of that region date back to a time long before the United States even existed, and most assuredly so, before Israel existed in its modern form. So, to suggest that these problems are a result of American “misdeeds”, or, as it is so popular to do, American support of Israeli misdeeds, shows a gross lack of understanding of history. The basic underlying issue there is complete incompatibility between western civilization and Islam, that has been ongoing for several hundred years. Only modern day progressive liberalism see these issues as a creation of western intervention and interference. Yet, 500+ years of continuous conflict, based on medieval tribalism and religious fundamentalism obliterates that narrative completely.

As for Latin America, one need only examine Mexico to understand that the problems in this region are no less homegrown, and long standing. Mexico, for example, is one of the richest countries in the world, yet has remained in a virtual state of arrested development. Why? That’s the question you should be asking, but I promise you, the answer is not because of US interference or intervention.

While I certainly would never claim America to be of saintly perfection in actions and deeds, I would argue strongly that there is not a single nation on earth, or in history that has contributed more to the betterment of humanity, and the advancement of modern civilization, than the USA to which you want to blame for all problems facing the world.
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Old Today, 11:26 AM
 
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"The Squad' is 'the reason that there are directions on a shampoo bottle"

LOL and Mr Yuk stickers
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Old Today, 01:38 PM
 
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You seem to be in desperate need of more accurate lessons in history. While I would never argue against the contention that American foreign policy in the 20th century has often been disastrously flawed, and particularly so regarding the Middle East, the fundamental problems of that region date back to a time long before the United States even existed, and most assuredly so, before Israel existed in its modern form. So, to suggest that these problems are a result of American “misdeeds”, or, as it is so popular to do, American support of Israeli misdeeds, shows a gross lack of understanding of history. The basic underlying issue there is complete incompatibility between western civilization and Islam, that has been ongoing for several hundred years. Only modern day progressive liberalism see these issues as a creation of western intervention and interference. Yet, 500+ years of continuous conflict, based on medieval tribalism and religious fundamentalism obliterates that narrative completely.

As for Latin America, one need only examine Mexico to understand that the problems in this region are no less homegrown, and long standing. Mexico, for example, is one of the richest countries in the world, yet has remained in a virtual state of arrested development. Why? That’s the question you should be asking, but I promise you, the answer is not because of US interference or intervention.

While I certainly would never claim America to be of saintly perfection in actions and deeds, I would argue strongly that there is not a single nation on earth, or in history that has contributed more to the betterment of humanity, and the advancement of modern civilization, than the USA to which you want to blame for all problems facing the world.
I see it exactly the other way round.
US history is a long list of barbarian behavior, genocide, instigation to civil war, war crimes, etc. The US is exactly the opposite of what it pretends to be. Basically it is just another rogue state...
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has...war-ii/5492051

Look at Iran for example. A fine country, whose democratically elected leader was ousted with a coup just because he wanted to nationalize the country's oil. And then people wonder why Iran is anti-American...


If Arabs like their tribalism, it is none of our business. Americans with their fake democracy and crap culture always think they need to force their **** on everyone else. Like the uninvited guest at a party, who just won't leave.


Mexico's problems all revolve around drugs. And what keeps it all going? American drug addicts, pimps, etc. the real criminals with millions of liters of Mexican blood on their hands. But as usual Americans deny their guilt and instead terrorize Latin America with their war on drugs.


Your last paragraph is an absurd joke. Despite the Holocaust even Germany was more important for the world, has contributed more. Same goes for France, China, ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Iran/Persia, etc. Just because the US is such a young country does not mean there was no history before that. To the contrary, 95% of important developments happened before that. The US is like a little child that keeps yelling me, me, me and getting on everyone's nerves.
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