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Old 07-18-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Its estimated 50-75% of all illegal immigrants already pays Federal, state and local taxes.
Even if that were true, the amount that illegal aliens pay does not come anywhere close to covering what they are costing Americans. The average cost to educate a child is $15,000 a year, and these families have lots of kids. Your really think the poor immigrants fleeing poverty all of a sudden are paying $30,000, $45,000, or $60,000 a year in taxes? (And that doesn't include ESOL classes and free lunches.)
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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What do you say of the why can't we more like Israel with universal health care, free abortion, subsidized college?
I and others have already explained that. We have 300+ million people here, half of whom are "net takers," along with 1 million illegals arriving each year.

Let's change the laws so that everyone other than the bottom 10% pay federal tax, we shut the door on new illegals, and we deport the existing illegals (or stop providing free education). Then we'll talk.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Even if that were true, the amount that illegal aliens pay does not come anywhere close to covering what they are costing Americans. The average cost to educate a child is $15,000 a year, and these families have lots of kids. Your really think the poor immigrants fleeing poverty all of a sudden are paying $30,000, $45,000, or $60,000 a year in taxes? (And that doesn't include ESOL classes and free lunches.)

I hope you mean that $15.000 pr child is split ut between every taxpayer, corporate tax, local, federal tax, blah blah blah blah....


So one family with 3 kids are not paying $45.000 themselves...


If not, there is something really wrong with the US system.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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I hope you mean that $15.000 pr child is split ut between every taxpayer, corporate tax, local, federal tax, blah blah blah blah....


So one family with 3 kids are not paying $45.000 themselves...


If not, there is something really wrong with the US system.
It's NOT split up among every taxpayers! The taxpayers in the counties where the illegals congregate pay the lion's share of the cost - which is for the schools, and through local taxes.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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So would you also be OK with 2 years mandatory military service from every citizen?
Or community service? Sure, why not?
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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We can collect tax from the illegal immigrants by charging some kind of tariff on the money they wire back home, to go into a special fund that would pay for their social services.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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We can collect tax from the illegal immigrants by charging some kind of tariff on the money they wire back home, to go into a special fund that would pay for their social services.
Or, they can use the wages from their jobs to get a damn immigration lawyer and file for legal residency here in the US, and pay regular taxes like everyone else.
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Israel also has forced military service. I sometimes wonder if we would be far better off cutting our military to a third of what it is and then requiring a year or two of military service after high school to give us a huge reserve of trained people who will also learn discipline and money to use to go to college or pursue a trade skill. Learning discipline early in life can be one of the greatest gifts anyone can gain and a major key to success.
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Old 07-18-2019, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Israel also has forced military service. I sometimes wonder if we would be far better off cutting our military to a third of what it is and then requiring a year or two of military service after high school to give us a huge reserve of trained people who will also learn discipline and money to use to go to college or pursue a trade skill. Learning discipline early in life can be one of the greatest gifts anyone can gain and a major key to success.
or community service
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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We actually have about the same. Hospitals are required to treat all, with or without money. Abortions are heavily subsidized by the millions given to PP by the US govt. And college is heavily subsidized in most states by liberal funding of state schools, also by govt. This is especially true of state run technical schools.
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