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Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Omar cheated our immigration system by marrying her brother. Additionally, she wants to change America.

I wish she would go back.
There is no proof to back up your allegations.

 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by uggabugga View Post
will this satisfy the 'racism!'-shriekers? i doubt it.
A public figure let alone a POTUS surely has to wonder who they inspire, how and why. Don't you think?

This is not a rare deal either! It's happening all the time with Trump. Why are these people inspired by him?

An important question to consider and answer. Regardless what Trump might say in his own defense?

In the US, video has emerged of far right activists celebrating Donald Trump’s victory with what appear to be Nazi salutes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...th-nazi-salute

WHY?

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Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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^^^^This. If he had truly disliked it then he would have stopped the crowd right then and there and told them that this is not what America is about. But he didn't. He actually basked in the chant. He is a hypocritical moron.
By that very same token, Pelosi should have told America that Maxine Waters was wrong to suggest that progressives find & attack conservatives wherever they are.

When will everyone stop this my side/your side crap and just come to the joint conclusion that our politicians all say stupid things?????? They ALL have loose lips.
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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This is a test...

Any one word, comment or tweet doesn't necessarily determine whether someone is racist, though just one can register on the radar of someone who is not. What is far more telling is the one word, comment or tweet in the context of the whole.

If for example, you can review all of Trump's history in these respects and not arrive at the same conclusion, then you have no such radar just like all racists and quasi-racists don't.

"Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Trump emerged as a political force owing to his full-throated embrace of “birtherism,” the false charge that the nation’s first black president, Barack Obama, was not born in the United States. His presidential campaign was fueled by nativist sentiment directed at nonwhite immigrants, and he proposed barring Muslims from entering the country. In 2016, Trump described himself to The Washington Post as “the least racist person that you’ve ever encountered.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...mments/588067/
So you admit that what he said wasn't racist, but you decide that it was based on other situations that also weren't racist. The other examples you meantioned didn't have to do with race either.

You tell me how is what Trump said racist? I was at the rally by the way. I heard the entire speach. He went on to explain and list thinks that these particular congress women stated. He made a case for why he beleives that they hate America. He specifically stated that if Omar or any other immigrant who comes here should go back to their country if they hate America so much... His comments were based on his opinion of them hating America and NOT because of the color of their skin... You and people like you injected race into what he said. Race or nationality was never meantioned, brought up, or refered to... So I ask you again, explain to me how what Trump said was racist?
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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I have not heard that about Omar, but I'll research it. Interesting...


But to the bolded: So does Trump. Why is his change OK, but hers is not?

Trump has been on a 3-year tirade about what a "disaster" our country is. He has been steady saying we are not great, that we are a joke, and only he can fix it. And he goes on foreign soil and sides with murderous dictators over our own Public Servants. How is that acceptable to you, but not OK if someone else has a different view.

It saddens me to say this, but I think the OP articulated perfectly what is going on. I've had a hard time finding the words for it, but he/she nailed it. I wish with every ounce of my heart that what was posted in the OP was not true, but sadly, it is.

(My issue is not that they don't agree with Omar, AOC, Obama, Hillary, Bernie, or whomever. It's how these people have been treated. I had a lot more respect for the GOP when they represented American and Conservative values. Today they represent neither.)
The answer is simple !!!
Trump sees the problems and fixes them to the extent he can with all the resistance against him. He has done remarkably well !!! Omar has done nothing to fix anything but runs her mouth, and runs down the country, and the people in it she doesn't agree with runs them down !!! A lot of people are sick of her crap !!! In public arenas the people don't have to watch what they say or how they express themselves like a politician is expected to.

Some in the GOP say the clown "squad" should be ignored but what ever a GOP members says will never get ignored !!! Its a mistake to ignore them and let them continue to cause problems unopposed !!! They deserved to be challenged in the strongest terms possible !!! Everyday, with every hatful thing they say !!!

Trump is accused of not working with our allies !!! Israel is an ally and when those on the left attack them they shouldn't get a pass on it !!! They do what they accuse Trump of doing and it needs to be addressed !!! Pointed out !!! Held accountable !!!

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Old 07-18-2019, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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This is so sad how obliviously Trump supporters have exposed their souls to America.

It's no longer an argument that the GOP might tolerate racists, but they don't impact the platform or message. It's no longer an argument that the racists are a marginal slice of the GOP, not worth focusing on.

After watching a Trump rally, with attendees reiterating the racist attack from Trump, it's clear that the racism in the GOP is not a flaw, it's a feature.

Here is where we are: a minority person has a different view of what America should be doing than your traditional Trump-supporting Conservative. The response? "Shut up. YOU don't get a say in how WE run this country." Is that racist enough for you?

But what if you're a minority whose family has been in America for generations? "Shut up. YOU don't get a say in what it means to be AMERICAN. YOU are not one of US." Is that racist enough for you? How is that different than "we don't want your kind here?"

The message from Trump's base and by extension the GOP, by virtue of their silence, is minorities are only allowed in America by the good graces of White people. If minorities don't toe the line, they can GTFO, regardless of how long they've been here. Minorities don't get to tell White people how to run this country.

So at this point, is there any real counter argument against the claim that Trump's entire platform is based on not MAGA, but MAW(hite)A? Nooooope.
How dare those white men Omar wants in chains want to send her back to the Sh**hole she came from.
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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It's hard to think it isn't racist.

When was the last time a President told a white guy to go back to the country they came from when they criticized his policies.
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Not racist — if Omar was a lily white and from Ireland but had the same deeply racist, anti-semetic, and vulgar anti American views people would feel the same way.

You can't use reason or logic on liberals because it has no meaning for them....but I applaud your efforts.
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: NC
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^^^^This. If he had truly disliked it then he would have stopped the crowd right then and there and told them that this is not what America is about. But he didn't. He actually basked in the chant. He is a hypocritical moron.
Exactly. Just like Obama did.


THIS is how a POTUS with a moral compass would react:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-speech-video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mWHz52Itz8

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-...r-801249859569




You don't have to like Obama's policies, but at least he respected the office. Trump can't say the same.
 
Old 07-18-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
The implicitness of telling a group of minorities to go back where they came from is clearly racist. Arguing it's not is like arguing cross-burnings and men in white hoods are not racist b/c no names or ethnic slurs are used. It's an old racist trope that everyone, Left AND Right, w/ the slightest grasp on history correctly called.

Waters' efforts were to deny racists a safe space to enjoy everyday life. That's not the same as telling someone they need to be expelled from the country for being a minority that thinks differently than you.
Alright then. You’ve chosen biased idiocy as your moral compass for life. Good luck with that.
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