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Old 07-19-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Disagree if you pay taxes you should have the right to vote.

Feel we should raise the quota to 100,00 to 120,00 from Mexico a year
Sorry, but according to our Constitution you have to be a citizen to vote and I agree with that. Being a foreigner paying taxes has nothing to do with that nor should it.

Why should we raise quotas for Mexicans they already enjoy the highest quotas by far for legal immigration into our country and that doesn't even count the numerous family reunifications that they are allowed on our soil. What happened to diversity?

Since Mexicans and other Latinos are the most guilty of entering our country illegally that's a reason to lower their quotas not increase them.

 
Old 07-19-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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The problems with illegal immigration should be obvious. I also think we really need to vet those that we allow legally in.


Yesterday morning on the news they interviewed a mid to late twenties woman and her three children, no father around and they were trying to apply for asylum. I don't remember which country they were from but it wasn't Mexico. My problem is this. First off, she couldn't speak English.. not a huge deal but I doubt she will be able to find a good paying job right away. Second, no father figure in the picture, just look at the statistics on kids that grow up fatherless, or look at the inner cities across the country. So right off the bat, this woman will not be able to support herself, and her kids... and chances are, she never will. Sure, in a generation or two if the kids don't follow what the statistics say might be able to support themselves and be a productive part of society. Until than, if it happens they will be a drain on the rest of us. Take a look across our country, at the inner cities, the rural slums, etc...do we really need more of this ? All it is , is more of a drain on the middle class. And this is why you see people just fed up.
 
Old 07-19-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Disagree if you pay taxes you should have the right to vote.
Totally disagree...
 
Old 07-19-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: NYC
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With globalization the corporations are treating America as simply a "market" without regards for what's good for the nation and the politician scumbags of both stripes let it happen.

It ain't only the illegals.
That's partially true, corporations do leverage globalization in order to further the wealth of the elites but they are concerned with income inequalities and pushing government action to bring parity. The problem is there are too many smaller businesses that are only concern with the bottomline. If you managed or have been part of a global conglomerate corp you would understand that global business isn't easy and there should be a nominal tax policy rather than all these different rates and labor contracts that enable businesses to leverage.
 
Old 07-19-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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If mass deportations happen, it will most certainly make a difference.

That's why the left is so desperate to decriminalize entering the country illegally. Nevermind the victims of human trafficking, child sex rings, drug overdoses, and murder at the hands of MS-13.

There is nothing the left won't accept in their quest to recapture power.
We will eventually have a minority majority country. That’s a fact. For better or worse it will happen. Playing Trump’s game elected him but it’s the short-term play. The more you do to gin up the vote of whites angry about demographic change to maintain power in the short term, the more likely the language used will further alienate minorities and college grads, thus the more likely it bites you in the a**.

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Old 07-19-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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It's not just corporations that hire illegals but it is mostly smaller companies that do. The fact remains that the illegal aliens are just as guilty of breaking the law as the employers are and both need to be held accountable. No one drags these illegals over the border to work here. If they weren't here the employers wouldn't be able to hire them in the first place! So it works both ways.
 
Old 07-19-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I would say 95% of folks don't think AT ALL. They simply trumpet whatever their party leaders tell them to...


in 10 years, maybe 5.. the tide will shift and the DEMS will be ANTI-Immigration and the REPS will be PRO and the same folks following them will fall in line as if nothings changed... Very few think for themselves.....

sad really.
 
Old 07-19-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The cause is about people who wish asylum.

Trump has stopped policies which allowed people to apply for asylum in their home country. Trump has stopped aid to the countries which need our help. Trump has given up the leverage that we had with those counties.

Trump created this mess.

Trump does not nor does he want to end the problem.

Trump cannot figure out he screwed the pooch.

People that claim to be seeking asylum cross the border with children that might have been spared the danger were it not for the fact that they know they will be released if children are traveling with them.

Once released into America, the overwhelming majority of "asylum seekers" never show up for their asylum hearing because they know the overwhelming majority of those that do show up are denied asylum.

The reason the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers are denied asylum is because their reasons for illegally entering the United States are economic.
 
Old 07-19-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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First of all, no one is talking about a "mass deportation". Make life hard for illegals to survive here and many will leave on their own accord---especially when they realize that we are getting serious about doing something about illegal immigration.
This is what I replied to...
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If mass deportations happen, it will most certainly make a difference.
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Second, for years we've been told that there are 11 million illegals here. Even those of us who are math challenged realize that every single day people sneak across the border or overstay visas. In light of that, it's very clear that there are more than 11 million of them. In fact, some estimates the number to be as high as 30 million.
They don't all just stay forever. They make their buck and take it back home to their families. Many went back during the recession when construction jobs dried up. Illegal immigrant population peaked right before that.

So the real answer here to reduce the population is to have another recession...


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Third, not all of those millions of illegals are in the workforce. Many of them are minors thus not working. Others are too old to work. Others are out committing crimes instead of working.

Fourth, with gradual deportation, Americans will fill those vacated jobs and the companies that hire Americans and legal immigrants will be forced to pay them more and give decent benefits and safe working environments. Did you miss the part where I said that when ICE would raid factories and plants Americans would be lining up to take those jobs once the illegals were gone?

Fifth, "those vacated houses"? Most illegals live in overcrowded flophouses so there may not be as many vacant homes as you would imagine. I'm sure that there are flippers out there who will buy these run-down homes and rehab them. Heck, even Habitat for Humanity will buy some which will help those who have had trouble finding a way to own their own home. Some homes will be in such bad shape that they will need to be torn down.

Sixth, do you even realize just how much illegals cost us on an annual basis? Read for yourself:

https://www.irli.org/single-post/201...SAAEgLqxvD_BwE

Illegals are parasites who take far, far more than they give. They have no business being here and need to leave.
Factory jobs are disappearing due to automation much more so than immigration. Roofing, drywall, landscaping, cooks, maids, agriculture, janitors, etc are where the bulk are.

FAIR is not an independent source. Most show a net benefit. Notably it leaves out the fact that they make citizen descendants. The illegal immigrant population is disproportionately young working age compared to the domestic population.

"The bias from excluding the adult U.S.-born children of immigrants, together with their children, becomes apparent when we recompute and take them into account. When we count all the relevant descendants of still-living immigrants we find a net positive fiscal impact of about $24 billion. There is a very large positive fiscal impact of $51 billion at the federal level, partially offset by a large negative fiscal impact of -$27 billion at the state and local levels. Looking separately at the federal, state, and local components, we find that at the state and local levels, the results including all descendants are little different from the immigrant household results: -$27 billion versus -$29 billion. The impacts of the two missing groups (adult children of immigrants and grandchildren of immigrants) offset each other. This is not true at the federal level, where the discrepancy is severe. Including all concurrent descendants of immigrants triples the federal surplus!"
https://www.nap.edu/read/5985/chapter/6#194

Even just with a straight common sense approach. If immigration(legal and illegal) is such a problem why is unemployment so low?
 
Old 07-19-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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Do a little study on how punishment works as a deterrent. I am not God or anyone's parent. Punishment is not my job. Of course the Christian God said punishment was not our job but his. Lots of Christians forget that. Flip side is rewarding or not rewarding is also not my job. I'd think differently if punishing these people had some kind of benefit within an immigration reform package. But I have yet to see it.


White people who over stay their visas or whatever simply are not targeted. They just slip through.



I won't lie. If someone feels slapped in the face over the good fortune of another, they could use a day or two at a Buddhist retreat to learn about peace. But if that is the worst of their problems, I think they are doing ok.
Wow! What twisted thinking on your part! Since you're going to bring religion into the conversation, Jesus told his followers to obey the laws of the land and to render unto Caesar that which is his. Illegals do none of those things.

It's not your job to "reward" people? Yet you want to reward lawbreakers. We don't need "immigration reform", that is just a euphemism for amnesty.

Do you realize that Hispanic is not a race and that Hispanic people can range from blonde-haired blue-eyed to dark skinned blacks? And you are so very wrong about "white people" not being targeted for deportation. Visa overstayers do get caught and when caught, get deported.

Legal immigrants have every right to be angry about illegal immigration. After all, they obeyed our immigration laws and patiently awaited their turn to come here. Try talking to some legal immigrants. Illegal immigration makes them very angry---and rightly so.

It's very bizarre that you not only want to reward criminal behavior but you use religion to justify doing that. Not only is it bizarre but it is disgusting and despicable. Thinking that those who obeyed our laws should be overjoyed when someone who breaks the law gets rewarded is beyond the pale.
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