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Old Today, 01:41 PM
 
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seems fair....but how about this tweak...


How about we actually fix the minimum wage to the GDP per capita for the area
Yes, both seems fair. And both can be done. A federal minimum wage floor indexed to GDP per capita, and states or metro areas can choose to go higher if they want.

Just abolishing the minimum wage at the federal level is just a talking point the ruling class use to convince the working class that they are better off without any worker protection and worker's rights.
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I will be glad to trade with Democrats - $15 minimum wage + Universal Health Care for a border wall, a change to asylum laws, an amendment requiring parents have their status legalized before their children count as citizens, no DACA and forbidding illegals from any social programs. Any takers?
Never going to happen. The super rich ruling class are against all of your proposals including $15 minimum wage and a national health care system. And money rules in an oligarchy. The obsession about illegal immigration is just another ploy they use to divide the population, just like they did with guns, abortion, religion and everything else they push to distract the people from who has the real power.
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Old Today, 01:45 PM
 
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I will be glad to trade with Democrats - $15 minimum wage + Universal Health Care for a border wall, a change to asylum laws, an amendment requiring parents have their status legalized before their children count as citizens, no DACA and forbidding illegals from any social programs. Any takers?
I'll trade. Bring each and every soldier home, all of them, and you can have the wall.
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I've been working in everything from retail/min wage jobs to full time salaried positions for ~25 years. Never once did I ask for more money because I thought my employer should support any sort of lifestyle of mine. When I needed or wanted more money, I either asked for a raise based on my tenure, experience, and/or value, or I found another job that recognized one or more of those things and compensated me accordingly.

This entire conversation is ridiculous.
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Old Today, 01:47 PM
 
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Never going to happen. The super rich ruling class are against all of your proposals including $15 minimum wage and a national health care system. And money rules in an oligarchy. The obsession about illegal immigration is just another ploy they use to divide the population, just like they did with guns, abortion, religion and everything else they push to distract the people from who has the real power.
No one thinks illegal immigrants have any power, we just want our country to stop being flooded by them. The elites flood this country with illegal immigrants not just for cheap gardeners and berry pickers but also to weaken social cohesion and prevent any broader support for expensive social programs like universal health care.
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Old Today, 01:52 PM
 
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seems fair....but how about this tweak...


How about we actually fix the minimum wage to the GDP per capita for the area
Or how about keeping the Feds out of our business? How about letting local markets determine wages. A waitress in Seattle needs to make a lot more than one in Birmingham. If a restaurant isn't paying enough to attract staff, it will go out of business. The market works every time. Unless there is a political motive to interfere!
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Old Today, 01:55 PM
 
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Or how about keeping the Feds out of our business? How about letting local markets determine wages. A waitress in Seattle needs to make a lot more than one in Birmingham. If a restaurant isn't paying enough to attract staff, it will go out of business. The market works every time. Unless there is a political motive to interfere!
When there is no minimum wage and they all decided to pay $5.00 the people have little choice.
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Old Today, 01:57 PM
 
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I doubt it, many of these places will still need the same amount of employees to keep daily operations going as they have been. If MW was raised and we had to pay all our cashiers the new $15 rate, we couldnt just fire 1/3 of them, to make up for it, we still need to have people running the registers when we are open.


Such an increase wouldnt impact us that much anyway, our annual profits have been in the high millions for years now, once MW is raised, profits will likely take a hit for a short time, but not by that much and not for that long either.
I agree that some places would be unaffected or only slightly.

Others will pass the cost along, some taking a hit on profits.

However, in general, the CBO independent economists estimated some rather large job losses so while you're location may be unaffected, others are. I gave Target as an example, one of my kids worked there and they started choppin' dead wood so to speak right away.

I still think it's dumb to have a one-size fits all cost of living free national minimum wage but oh well.
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When there is no minimum wage and they all decided to pay $5.00 the people have little choice.
People get paid based on the value they add to the business. So if they are worth $5/hr due to their skills, thats what they would be paid.
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I agree that some places would be unaffected or only slightly.

Others will pass the cost along, some taking a hit on profits.

However, in general, the CBO independent economists estimated some rather large job losses so while you're location may be unaffected, others are. I gave Target as an example, one of my kids worked there and they started choppin' dead wood so to speak right away.

I still think it's dumb to have a one-size fits all cost of living free national minimum wage but oh well.
Whats dumb with a national wage floor to avoid third world drudgery jobs? There is absolutely nothing preventing the Bay Area from going higher than the federal level, so you get your locally adjusted minimum wages if you want.

I fail to see whats so great about some type of Hong Kong model where workers slave around for nothing and live in cages in old age collecting cardboard to survive. And no, the Asians in HK are not lazy bums as we often hear as the counter-argument for people living in poverty. The reality is that when workers are disorganized while concentrated capital is organized and own the government, workers dont stand a chance.
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