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Old 07-19-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
MLK didn't spend his days calling 1/2 of America racist and most of the other disgusting things that Omar has said about the people of the USA.
No, he spent his days calling America, the nation as a whole, racist.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:04 PM
 
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Absolutely wonderful to see how many on this thread are newly embracing MLK. It is a great day for America that he is getting his due from some conservatives/Trump supporters. His friend and fellow civil rights activist, the Honorable John Lewis (D) has represented Georgia in our House of Representatives since 1987. He spoke in favor of the House resolution that condemned Trump's recent hateful words and actions. Certainly MLK would have approved. Here it is:

The House of Representatives, U. S.

July 16, 2019.

Whereas the Founders conceived America as a haven of refuge for people fleeing from religious and political persecution, and Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison all emphasized that the Nation gained as it attracted new people in search of freedom and livelihood for their families;

Whereas the Declaration of Independence defined America as a covenant based on equality, the unalienable Rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and government by the consent of the people;

Whereas Benjamin Franklin said at the Constitutional convention, “When foreigners after looking about for some other Country in which they can obtain more happiness, give a preference to ours, it is a proof of attachment which ought to excite our confidence and affection”;

Whereas President Franklin D. Roosevelt said, “Remember, remember always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists”;

Whereas immigration of people from all over the Earth has defined every stage of American history and propelled our social, economic, political, scientific, cultural, artistic, and technological progress as a people, and all Americans, except for the descendants of Native people and enslaved African Americans, are immigrants or descendants of immigrants;

Whereas the commitment to immigration and asylum has been not a partisan cause but a powerful national value that has infused the work of many Presidents;

Whereas American patriotism is defined not by race or ethnicity but by devotion to the Constitutional ideals of equality, liberty, inclusion, and democracy and by service to our communities and struggle for the common good;

Whereas President John F. Kennedy, whose family came to the United States from Ireland, stated in his 1958 book “A Nation of Immigrants” that “The contribution of immigrants can be seen in every aspect of our national life. We see it in religion, in politics, in business, in the arts, in education, even in athletics and entertainment. There is no part of our nation that has not been touched by our immigrant background. Everywhere immigrants have enriched and strengthened the fabric of American life.”;

Whereas President Ronald Reagan in his last speech as President conveyed “An observation about a country which I love”;

Whereas as President Reagan observed, the torch of Lady Liberty symbolizes our freedom and represents our heritage, the compact with our parents, our grandparents, and our ancestors, and it is the Statue of Liberty and its values that give us our great and special place in the world;

Whereas other countries may seek to compete with us, but in one vital area, as “a beacon of freedom and opportunity that draws the people of the world, no country on Earth comes close”;

Whereas it is the great life force of “each generation of new Americans that guarantees that America's triumph shall continue unsurpassed” through the 21st century and beyond and is part of the “magical, intoxicating power of America”;

Whereas this is “one of the most important sources of America's greatness: we lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people—our strength—from every country and every corner of the world, and by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation”;

Whereas “thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge”, always leading the world to the next frontier;

Whereas this openness is vital to our future as a Nation, and “if we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost”; and

Whereas President Donald Trump’s racist comments have legitimized fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) believes that immigrants and their descendants have made America stronger, and that those who take the oath of citizenship are every bit as American as those whose families have lived in the United States for many generations;

(2) is committed to keeping America open to those lawfully seeking refuge and asylum from violence and oppression, and those who are willing to work hard to live the American Dream, no matter their race, ethnicity, faith, or country of origin; and

(3) strongly condemns President Donald Trump’s racist comments that have legitimized and increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color by saying that our fellow Americans who are immigrants, and those who may look to the President like immigrants, should “go back” to other countries, by referring to immigrants and asylum seekers as “invaders,” and by saying that Members of Congress who are immigrants (or those of our colleagues who are wrongly assumed to be immigrants) do not belong in Congress or in the United States of America.


Passed by 240-187.
All Democrats who voted were in support. Four Republicans and one Independent supported it. 187 Republicans voted against it.

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Old 07-19-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Nope nice try
So it's worse to dismiss the concerns of Al Qaeda, who killed scores LESS of civilians and American military, than it was too dismiss concerns of the Viet Cong? Please explain.

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MLK didn't spend his days calling 1/2 of America racist and most of the other disgusting things that Omar has said about the people of the USA.
I already told you, MLK called far MORE than 1/2 of America racist among other disparaging comments about Americans and America.

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He's got you defending Omar and her ilk.. He's beaten you.
No one's beaten anyone. It's called "honest discussion," something you should learn to engage in.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The argument that Conservatives have now adopted for criticism of America is... If you don't think America is perfect, if you think there's something dark about America's history, if you think there's a fundamental flaw at the core of America... Then you should leave.

Republicans always talk about how much they admire and respect MLK...

MLK who was critical of America
MLK who thought racism was the core of America and White Americans
MLK who thought entire institutions of America should be brought down
MLK who was an avid Socialist and saw it as the fundamental change America needed to make

Soooo... MLK should have GTFO, right?
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When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.
So your claims that he thought 'racism was the core of America,' and 'entire institutions of America should be brought down' are specious. Instead his message was of the greatness of core American values--just that those values were not being lived up to.

Robert F. Williams from the MLK era is lesser known but very important. Williams used to say that he was the most patriotic American around, but he just wanted to see the nation live up to the values of the founding documents.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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Not even remotely close comparison. We have it so good and easy in this country that the angry left has to look very hard for reasons to be outraged and ways they are being oppressed.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:43 PM
Status: "I said God Bless the Coal Miners Union" (set 14 days ago)
 
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Not even remotely close comparison. We have it so good and easy in this country that the angry left has to look very hard for reasons to be outraged and ways they are being oppressed.
Yes, it must be remembered that when MLK was around the US still had segregated lunch counters and buses. I have a friend who is black and was a teen at that time. He told me about driving through Indiana with his brother, and no gas station would allow them to use the restroom. Now that was real racism.

And don't forget the FBI was spying on MLK Jr. And tried to railroad a guy like Robert Williams to the point where he had to flee the country.

It's a far cry from what we see today.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Think harder or stop being obtuse. The connection is clear.
No, there is no connection.

Dr King was great man while these four women are a mix of despicable bigots and Kardashian imitators.

That's me being obtuse Eddie. Now perhaps you would cease acting so thick.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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Ubiquitous bumper sticker from the 1960s.
I don't recall people crying about seeing those but the press wasn't as crazy as it is now. Most outlets actually reported real news instead of obsessing over nonsense like today..
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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The argument that Conservatives have now adopted for criticism of America is... If you don't think America is perfect, if you think there's something dark about America's history, if you think there's a fundamental flaw at the core of America... Then you should leave.

Republicans always talk about how much they admire and respect MLK...

MLK who was critical of America
MLK who thought racism was the core of America and White Americans
MLK who thought entire institutions of America should be brought down
MLK who was an avid Socialist and saw it as the fundamental change America needed to make

Soooo... MLK should have GTFO, right?
Please tell me you didnít just compare MLK to Ilhan Omar.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Canada
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OP's Thread Question~~~Should MLK have been told "Get Out... Love it or leave it...?"

Nah~~~ Back then the "KKK/Nationalist/Haters"
just Killed/Assassinated him!

Fast forward to 2019 ( initiated currently by none other than POTUS) NOW underground dwellers have been freed to stock and kill with full approval by none other than POTUS in office.

DJT can deny it all he wants.. BUT it's in your face daily observing DJT's prompts to " Shoot someone and no one will care" to NOW ( 2 years later) full throated Bullhorn shoutings by POTUS, who preaches from his "Throne" via thumbs for his vile twitter comments/Rallies & Interviews>> to PROMOTE Hate Crimes!!!

History will look back on this time and JUDGE accordingly!!

I happen to be old enough to recall the historical evolvement during this time period ~~ 60's onward. The OP's question pretty well tells me they have no idea on how American Society has evolved and changed in the past Half + Century! It definitely has put the Constitution of USA at RISK for the near future!

I'm very SAD watching what's going on just 65 miles north from my point of entry to USA!!

BTW~ I'm a widow of a now deceased Vietnam War Vet!!
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