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Old Yesterday, 02:31 PM
 
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Fifty bucks says this security guard is a huge Trump supporter.

Any takers?
I'd be interested in that bet but you've lied about your political orientation as well as if presidents can control gas prices so you really don't have any credibility here that you're being honest in your proposal.

It would be like trusting Trump. Sorry.
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Old Yesterday, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Caribbean
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If a black person receives the wrong order in the drive thru, it's racism.

Talk about broken records.
What in the world are you talking about? Stick to the matter at hand please and thank you.
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Old Yesterday, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Caribbean
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Its a clickbait article to increase racial tension. You wouldnt approve if the roles were switched would you?
Nonsense. It is a situation that occurred with a video accompanying the article. The officer felt it was racially motivated and therefore race was included.
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Old Yesterday, 02:43 PM
 
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Nonsense. It is a situation that occurred with a video accompanying the article. The officer felt it was racially motivated and therefore race was included.
Thats just stupid. You know you would never push the story if the roles were flipped and push more racial tension, so why do it now? Thats just a sign of a hypocrite and you're simply playing into the hands of the right wing.
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Old Yesterday, 02:49 PM
 
Location: SGV
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A State agent and a private individual who agreed to work for a State agency.

I'd believe my 5-year-old nephew over either one of them.
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Old Yesterday, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Boston
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No a cop can't. In fact he broke federal law entering with his gun. The security guard asked him to leave his gun outside, that is the rule. The cop refused. The cop was in the wrong.
You're right. You can't enter federal facilities with a weapon. Local cops are not excluded. The cop needs to be disciplined. He wasn't there on official business.
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Old Yesterday, 02:54 PM
 
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I don't know who was the most in the wrong. Just pointing out that no one, not even a cop, can go in a federal agency carrying a weapon. There are "No Weapons" signs on the doors. The security guard is hired to enforce the "no weapons" law.
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Old Yesterday, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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After re-reading the "news" report linked in the OP, and others I searched, I apologize for my original comments.

The relevant facts:

This was an IRS facility, where guns are banned-no exceptions for local police officers. Legally this is no different than a post office or federal courthouse. Ignoring "no-guns" signs on private property not a crime-unless you refuse to leave when told to do so. Then it is trespassing, a misdemeanor. Doing so in a federal building is a crime. In fact even having a firearm in a post office parking lot, locked in a vehicle is illegal. (don't ask if I've done this...).

The officer was there on "company time" and in uniform, but taking care of personal business at the IRS office.

The officer ignored the "no-guns" rule and carried into the building anyway.

The officers actions prompted an employee to call 911 about an armed person that refused to leave the facility. It is NOT clear if this was before or after security confronted him, or who originally asked him to leave. We can speculate as to this-did an employee call after feeling threatened or intimidated when he walked in the door? This seems unlikely-I suspect most would expect him to comply when informed that he was breaking the law. Did the officer refuse and become belligerent? Don't know.

Was the IRS security officer warranted in ordering the armed individual to leave the building? Yes-that is his job. Apparently he actually "bent the rules" and offered to allow the LEO to leave his gun in the car-which, if the same rules apply there as at the post office, is NOT legal.

Was he justified in drawing his weapon? Good question. Did an armed individual who had already committed a crime (by being in the building armed) and that had refused to leave the facility when directed pose a threat? What would a LEO in a similar situation do?

Was there any racial aspect of the case? I see NONE. There is no indication that the race of either the officer or the security guard was a factor.

Again-there is not enough info to make an informed decision until more info comes out, and not just a select few seconds of video, aimed at manipulating a response.

One scenario-a hot-headed security guard on a power trip and perhaps a grudge against "real" cops exceeding his authority and being a complete azz. Perhaps with a racial motive.

Another scenario-a cop that thinks the rules don't apply to him, that broke the law, that perhaps got belligerent and that had to be "escorted" from the facility-at gunpoint. And one who-upon realizing that he was in the wrong-played the "race card" to deflect blame upon an innocent person.

Hard to say which is true until we see more video-one that wasn't cut to show a few select seconds. The fact that an employee felt the need to call 911 on the officer is telling.
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Old Yesterday, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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I'd be interested in that bet but you've lied about your political orientation as well as if presidents can control gas prices so you really don't have any credibility here that you're being honest in your proposal.

It would be like trusting Trump. Sorry.
C'mon man.
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Old Yesterday, 04:36 PM
 
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I agree. citing the independent as a source is vile and disgusting.
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