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Old Yesterday, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are incredibly wrong with just about everything.

Russian warship makes a San Francisco appearance
Now you’re being totally absurd, we invited the Russian ship do you understand the difference.
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Old Yesterday, 10:28 AM
 
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I'm sure the British are is saying thanks but no thanks Trump you've done enough already.
The US has been itching for a fight with Iran since the fall of the Shah of Iran, so yes Trump like much more capable presidents before him will bow to the Persians. He needs to go back to his happy place were he knows his way around and that is picking on women.
None of this is true. And the British are mad as hell at May for NOT doing anything. You might want to learn a few things before projecting your issues with Trump over world events.
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Old Yesterday, 10:30 AM
 
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Now you’re being totally absurd, we invited the Russian ship do you understand the difference.
Your statement.
"military ships are not allowed entry into another country’s waters"
Is proved 100% wrong by that event. Of course they are allowed. All the time. Iran choose to fire on an American boat even though they had a "deal" with Obama. You were wrong. Just like you were proved 100% wrong when you said ships were not seized by Iranians when Obama was running things.

But the real issue is this. You aren't here to talk about that British ship. You are here to make up crap against Trump. And that's why you keep putting your feet in your mouth.
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Old Yesterday, 10:48 AM
 
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They are freeloaders with their hand out looking for the military paid by tax payers to defend their interests.
We should be charging every multinational corporation for the protection our military provides globally while the citizens pay zero for it.
We do. It's called taxes.

However, if we do not and oil prices spike, causing gas prices to spike you will no doubt demand a senate hearing about the oil companies "price gouging" by making a 15 cent a gallon profit while the US govt. takes a dollar in various implicit and explicit taxation.
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 AM
 
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Japan tried that in Dec. 1941.

Remind me, how did that work out for them?
We've been bringing democracy to Afghanistan for almost two decades, how's that working out.

Utter failure

Just try that with Iran.
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Not my tanker. Not Trump's either.
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Old Yesterday, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Tit for tat. Gibraltar seizes Iran tanker and they seize Brit one. Its really hard to condemn Iran given the circumstances.
More pathetic attempts by Western governments (and Israel) to drag us into a war that NOBODY wants.

NO MORE WARS*#@:!
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Old Yesterday, 01:16 PM
 
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None of this is true. And the British are mad as hell at May for NOT doing anything. You might want to learn a few things before projecting your issues with Trump over world events.
Trump and World Events.....I never seen two words that are so incongruent
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Old Yesterday, 01:19 PM
 
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Trump and World Events.....I never seen two words that are so incongruent
Why? Give us some words of wisdom from thriftylefty. Else, let's chalk it up to Orange Man Bad.
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Old Yesterday, 01:51 PM
 
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For those who can still think by themselves without MSM guidance here are some facts:

1) Iranian oil exports were never under UN sanctions. And in 2016 all other UN sanctions were lifted up.
2) Syria is not under any UN sanctions.

Now, for those who don't understand difference between UN and unilateral sanctions:
UN sanctions are the only ones that can be (however remotely) considered as lawfully obligating for the country under sanctions. Unilateral sanctions are applicable only to the citizens and companies of countries that instituted them. For example, if country A issues unilateral sanctions against country B, it has jurisdiction only over citizens and companies of country A. It can send them to jail, confiscate their properties etc. But, if country C conducts any business with country B, then country A can do nothing. Well, lawfully, of course

So, the way things stand right now:
1) UK seizes Iranian tanker going to, as UK claims, to Syria. Since UK did not declare state of war with neither Iran or Syria, this act is qualified as piracy by international law. Why? Because there is no UN sanctions that could prevent such operation, and no unilateral sanctions can be applied in this case. Read this again, until you understand. To be clear - if tanker would have been flying any EU, or UK, or US flag, only then unilateral sanctions could have been applied. Since this was not the case, this seizing is an open act of piracy.
2) From now on, since act of piracy was conducted by a vessel flying UK flag, and UK govt openly admitted that it authorized the seizing, this makes - according to international law - any UK-flag bearing vessel a pirate vessel. I.e. every country on the planet now has a right to confiscate UK-flag bearing vessel and hang all crew members.

By the way, this applies only to vessels flying UK flag, not the vessels that are owned by UK companies. Someone in Tehran forgot about this nuance at first, so first they seized tanker owned by UK company, but flying Sweden flag. Then they corrected themselves - the did let go first tanker, but the second one is detained absolutely in accordance to international law, since it was flying UK flag.

But then why UK did it in a first place? Well, let's put aside the reason that UK was always a pirate state, and look at the economic reasons - the only ones that really spin the world.
Many did hear about shale oil. Let's put aside all the environmental damage that occurs from it's production - oil companies never cared about that. But what does matter is that to be marginally profitable, oil cost should be over $80/bar - that's the self-cost of shale oil. But as you know, for last few years crude oil prices were hovering in $50-60/bar range. Western oil companies that ventured shale oil drilling accumulated huge debt. They are on the brink of collapse, and would not survive past the end of this year - all their credit options are already exhausted by now. So, the goal of US and UK is to move crude oil prices to a $100-$120/bar. Price over that range will destroy US and UK economy, but current price will destroy US and UK oil companies. Question is, how the target price can be achieved? It is estimated that full-blown war with Iran will send prices over $300/bar. So, it's not an option. But, some short-term assault on Iran with careful destruction of its oil fields will move oil price just the right range. That's why US and UK are actively trying to create casus belli for such assault. So far it doesn't work since Iran stays within international law bounds.

I'm pretty sure we soon will see some more US/UK provocations.
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