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Old Yesterday, 05:30 PM
 
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What makes you think US sanctions make a difference?
Don't worry John. You can go back to ignoring the messes that your once great country created.
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Old Yesterday, 05:42 PM
 
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Given the quality of you post....Mighty Mouse will certainly win any war for the US.
No, we have proven might makes right many times.
Do as we say, are we will attack you.
The sanctions came against Iran before any of this mess started because they would not play game with us.
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Old Today, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ahmadinejad the voice of reason, also the foreign minister Zarif is separating from the Iranian hard liners. Who knows maybe Bolton and Pompeo will be next.


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And the most striking voice in that contrarian group is former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, largely known in the West for his anti-American bombast, Holocaust denial, and suspiciously lopsided victory in a disputed vote a decade ago that set off Iran’s worst political convulsions since the Islamic revolution.
“Mr. Trump is a man of action,” Mr. Ahmadinejad said in a lengthy telephone interview with The New York Times. “He is a businessman and therefore he is capable of calculating cost-benefits and making a decision. We say to him, let’s calculate the long-term cost-benefit of our two nations and not be shortsighted.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/w...ump-talks.html
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Old Today, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Why would Iran not do that when Britain seized an Iranian oil tanker before?! Iran is only being consequent...
The tanker was seized because it was heading to Syria, and the EU and other nations have an embargo on supplying Syria with oil and arms, due to the conflict there.

The ship the Iranians seized, actually belongs to the Swedish company Stena, it has a crew of 23 of which 18 are Indian, the other five crew members are Russian, Latvian and Filipino. There are no British Citizens on board.

Merchant ships often fly underr flags of convenience due to tax, legal and regulatory matters and it's been British policy in recent years to offer Britain has been offer international tax breaks as well as consular support and naval protection for those merchant ships flying under the red ensign/red duster.

Red Ensign - Wikipedia

However this is not merely a British matter, the Swedes also have an interest, as do the Indians and other countries of crew memebers, and is all a matter for Europe and the Weat, and all countries who use the Strait of Hormuz.

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Old Today, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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This video might help explain the flagging oj ships, as all those cruise ships that dock in America are not American flagged, indeed only one cruise ship in the world has an American flag, and flags are equally used to avoid wages, taxes, laws and regulations on container ships, oil tankers and other freight shipping.


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Old Today, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The tanker was seized because it was heading to Syria, and the EU and other nations have an embargo on supplying Syria with oil and arms, due to the conflict there.

The ship the Iranians seized, actually belongs to the Swedish company Stena, it has a crew of 23 of which 18 are Indian, the other five crew members are Russian, Latvian and Filipino. There are no British Citizens on board.

Merchant ships often fly underr flags of convenience due to tax, legal and regulatory matters and it's been British policy in recent years to offer Britain has been offer international tax breaks as well as consular support and naval protection for those merchant ships flying under the red ensign/red duster.

Red Ensign - Wikipedia

However this is not merely a British matter, the Swedes also have an interest, as do the Indians and other countries of crew memebers, and is all a matter for Europe and the Weat, and all countries who use the Strait of Hormuz.
Really poor timing for the UK to chose this moment with Theresa May heading out the door and attempting to keep Iran in the deal.
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Old Today, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Really poor timing for the UK to chose this moment with Theresa May heading out the door and attempting to keep Iran in the deal.


Possibly - although we get a new leader on Tuesday.

It's probably going to be Boris Johnson, but we shall see.

I am sure Boris has already thought about who will fill his cabinet if he wins, and the same is true of Jeremy Hunt, the current Foreign Secretary and the son of a Royal Navy Admiral.
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Old Today, 08:19 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The tanker was seized because it was heading to Syria, and the EU and other nations have an embargo on supplying Syria with oil and arms, due to the conflict there.

The ship the Iranians seized, actually belongs to the Swedish company Stena, it has a crew of 23 of which 18 are Indian, the other five crew members are Russian, Latvian and Filipino. There are no British Citizens on board.

Merchant ships often fly underr flags of convenience due to tax, legal and regulatory matters.

This is not merely a British matter, the Swedes also have an interest, as do the Indians and indeed Europe and all countrirs who use the Strait of Hormuz.
Exactly. Some countries have an embargo on Syria, but why would Iran care? Iran doesn't have an embargo on shipping oil to Syria. Nor are there such UN embargoes, if I am not mistaken. So why would Iran not ship oil to its friend Syria?!

What would Saudi-Arabia say if Iran unilaterally declared SA a terrorist state (which it actually is) and thus slapped an embargo on oil shipments from Saudi-Arabia, including the right to seize SA tankers?
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Old Today, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Exactly. Some countries have an embargo on Syria, but why would Iran care? Iran doesn't have an embargo on shipping oil to Syria. Nor are there such UN embargoes, if I am not mistaken. So why would Iran not ship oil to its friend Syria?!

What would Saudi-Arabia say if Iran unilaterally declared SA a terrorist state (which it actually is) and thus slapped an embargo on oil shipments from Saudi-Arabia, including the right to seize SA tankers?
The Tanker Grace One, was suspected of smuggling oil to Syria in breach of European Union sanctions, and had turned off it's systems to try and avoid detection.

Britain is currently an EU member and was merely following the ruling, we would have done the same in relation to UN sanctions.

There are all kinds of EU Sanctions in relation to Syria.

EU Restrictive Measures - Syria FAQs

In terms of Iran, Britain has tried it's best to negotiate and has followed a similar course to many European countries in trying to continue the origninal negotiated nuclear deal with Iran.

This is despite Iran's recent attacks on oil tankers and the imprisonment of British and other citizens on trumped up spy charges.

As for the British flagged tanker it was doing nothing wrong, and if Iran wants to avoid foreign interference then all it has to do is get around the negotiating table, allow nuclear inspectors in to the country and to stick to the terms of the nuclear deal, whilst also stop attacking and seizing foreign shipping or imprisoning foreign nationals on false charges.

Iran nuclear deal in jeopardy after latest enrichment breach | The Guardian

In terms of the US, Iran can have sanctions removed in exchange for a "cessation of uranium enrichment and support for proxies and allies in the region".

Iran makes 'substantial' nuclear offer in return for US lifting sanctions | The Guardian

The ball is in Iran's court, and I suggest they negotiate a settlement in order to have sanctions lifted.
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Old Today, 08:53 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The Tanker Grace One, was suspected of smuggling oil to Syria in breach of European Union sanctions, and had turned off it's systems to try and avoid detection.

Britain is currently an EU member and was merely following the ruling, we would have done the same in relation to UN sanctions.

There are all kinds of EU Sanctions in relation to Syria.

EU Restrictive Measures - Syria – FAQs

In terms of Iran, Britain has tried it's best to negotiate and has followed a similar course to many European countries in trying to continue the origninal negotiated nuclear deal with Iran.

This is despite Iran's recent attacks on oil tankers and the imprisonment of British and other citizens on trumped up spy charges.

As for the British flagged tanker it was doing nothing wrong, and if Iran wants to avoid foreign interference then all it has to do is get around the negotiating table, allow nuclear inspectors in to the country and to stick to the terms of the nuclear deal, whilst also stop attacking and seizing foreign shipping or imprisoning foreign nationals on false charges.

Iran nuclear deal in jeopardy after latest enrichment breach | The Guardian

In terms of the US, Iran can have sanctions removed in exchange for a "cessation of uranium enrichment and support for proxies and allies in the region".

Iran makes 'substantial' nuclear offer in return for US lifting sanctions | The Guardian

The ball is in Iran's court, and I suggest they negotiate a settlement in order to have sanctions lifted.

Why would Iran care what the EU wants? The EU is not the UN. Anything except for UN actions are unilateral actions and thus non-binding.

No, the EU doesn't buy Iranian oil, thus it breaches the agreement. Any EU efforts have been just empty words. Either they buy Iranian oil or they don't. It's that simple.

The SUPPOSEDLY Iranian attacks on oil tankers only started after the breach of the agreement by the West, thus it is none of Iran's fault.

There have been nuclear inspectors in Iran for years, and they all confirmed again and again that Iran was not breaking the agreement. Iran only started to break it in response to the West's violation of the agreement, which is totally understandable. Why would they continue to give without getting anything in return?

Why would Iran stop to support its allies?! Allies stick together. The nuclear agreement did not say anything about Iran's foreign policies. Nobody can expect Iran to be pro-Western after all the attacks by the West and its proxies for decades.

The ball is in the West's court because the West needs to force Israel to agree to a settlement of the Middle-East conflict that Palestinians can also live with. As long as that conflict is not solved in such a way that makes everyone happy, there will not be peace as Iran's foreign policies revolve around the Palestinians, apart from its opposition to Saudi-Arabia, which we should actually be part of if we had any morals and backbone.
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