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Old 07-22-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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There is a large difference between residential use and farm use.
Indeed, and there is a difference between corollary and causation, and the studies about "hurting kids' brains" are all based on corellation, not causation. The only studies with causative evidence were with lab animals (rats) and direct exposure via spiked food and injection.

The chemical in question has been around since 1966, and in widespread farm use since not much after that. The WHO lists it as "moderately hazardous" and it is in widespread use in over 100 countries, and it is currently not under and international control for agricultural use...like anywhere in the world. A few countries have the same residential ban as the US.

Basically, there is sufficient cause to be careful round the substance, particularly farm workers who have much greater exposure concerns, but an outright ban makes no sense from any perspective other than knee jerk sensationalism. Tons of products tat enable this modern world of ours have health risks with acute or prolonged exposure, and none of them are banned and nobody cares.

A full ban on this pesticide makes no sense given the current data. That isn't "being a shill for Trump" because I would have said the same thing 5 years ago when Obama didn't ban it, or between 1992-2000 when Clinton didn't ban it, etc. There isn't enough CAUSATION evidence with humans to warrant a full outright ban.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yep...you read that right....
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On Wednesday, the United States Environmental Protection Agency doubled down on one of the most controversial environmental deregulation moves of the Trump presidency. Under pressure from a looming court-ordered deadline, the EPA reaffirmed its 2017 decision to reject a proposal from the agency’s own scientists to ban an insecticide called chlorpyrifos that farmers use on a wide variety of crops, including corn, soybeans, fruit and nut trees, Brussels sprouts, cranberries, broccoli, and cauliflower.

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...s-kids-brains/

I can recall Michelle Obama being trolled and bashed for advocating for her organic vegetable garden and healthy school lunches...
But what about the children? Yea it's only school lunches that are affected. btw I don't see many kids chowing down on soybeans, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, and cauliflower either. I do see adults eating that but "it's for the children" makes better headlines especially when it's coupled with school/education.

So much fake drama, so little time.
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Old 07-22-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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It was determined to be bad back in 2001 when it got banned from residential use.
Yet the EPA allowed it in ag use on our food.
And shame on them.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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Indeed, and there is a difference between corollary and causation, and the studies about "hurting kids' brains" are all based on corellation, not causation. The only studies with causative evidence were with lab animals (rats) and direct exposure via spiked food and injection.

The chemical in question has been around since 1966, and in widespread farm use since not much after that. The WHO lists it as "moderately hazardous" and it is in widespread use in over 100 countries, and it is currently not under and international control for agricultural use...like anywhere in the world. A few countries have the same residential ban as the US.

Basically, there is sufficient cause to be careful round the substance, particularly farm workers who have much greater exposure concerns, but an outright ban makes no sense from any perspective other than knee jerk sensationalism. Tons of products tat enable this modern world of ours have health risks with acute or prolonged exposure, and none of them are banned and nobody cares.

A full ban on this pesticide makes no sense given the current data. That isn't "being a shill for Trump" because I would have said the same thing 5 years ago when Obama didn't ban it, or between 1992-2000 when Clinton didn't ban it, etc. There isn't enough CAUSATION evidence with humans to warrant a full outright ban.
To be careful around the substance? And what do you mean nobody cares when obviously there are groups that do. If Silent Spring had not been published we would likely still be exposed to DDT and the like.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Most school districts dropped those healthy school lunches cause the kids wouldn't eat them.
Obviously, not all kids are hungry, if they choose to toss their lunch rather than eat it.

Most school districts did not drop the federal guidelines, given their Federal Subsidy depends on compliance.

In December 2018, the Admin relaxed a few of the guidelines:

1% milk can be flavored, and

Requiring only half the grains to be whole grains meaning more products can be made from refined white flour.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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I don't know of one kid hurt by that pesticide... Anybody know one?
Thousands. They hold rallies.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Indeed, and there is a difference between corollary and causation, and the studies about "hurting kids' brains" are all based on corellation, not causation. The only studies with causative evidence were with lab animals (rats) and direct exposure via spiked food and injection.

The chemical in question has been around since 1966, and in widespread farm use since not much after that. The WHO lists it as "moderately hazardous" and it is in widespread use in over 100 countries, and it is currently not under and international control for agricultural use...like anywhere in the world. A few countries have the same residential ban as the US.

Basically, there is sufficient cause to be careful round the substance, particularly farm workers who have much greater exposure concerns, but an outright ban makes no sense from any perspective other than knee jerk sensationalism. Tons of products tat enable this modern world of ours have health risks with acute or prolonged exposure, and none of them are banned and nobody cares.

A full ban on this pesticide makes no sense given the current data. That isn't "being a shill for Trump" because I would have said the same thing 5 years ago when Obama didn't ban it, or between 1992-2000 when Clinton didn't ban it, etc. There isn't enough CAUSATION evidence with humans to warrant a full outright ban.
So it mostly affects those in the rural areas where it is used? They seem to be the ones that don't care.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: NYC
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You liberals, all you care about are children and now brains!
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:14 PM
 
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You should be happy, Trump is doing his part to create more Democrats just like you.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Indeed, and there is a difference between corollary and causation, and the studies about "hurting kids' brains" are all based on corellation, not causation. The only studies with causative evidence were with lab animals (rats) and direct exposure via spiked food and injection.

The chemical in question has been around since 1966, and in widespread farm use since not much after that. The WHO lists it as "moderately hazardous" and it is in widespread use in over 100 countries, and it is currently not under and international control for agricultural use...like anywhere in the world. A few countries have the same residential ban as the US.

Basically, there is sufficient cause to be careful round the substance, particularly farm workers who have much greater exposure concerns, but an outright ban makes no sense from any perspective other than knee jerk sensationalism. Tons of products tat enable this modern world of ours have health risks with acute or prolonged exposure, and none of them are banned and nobody cares.

A full ban on this pesticide makes no sense given the current data. That isn't "being a shill for Trump" because I would have said the same thing 5 years ago when Obama didn't ban it, or between 1992-2000 when Clinton didn't ban it, etc. There isn't enough CAUSATION evidence with humans to warrant a full outright ban.
What does this matter? Odds are, it's hurting us in some shape or form. It's a chemical sprayed on food. If there are non toxic alternatives, which do exist, why not use them instead?
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