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Old 07-25-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Russia
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If you want to stop consuming media that's full of lies/hate/fakeness and I suggest you turn off liberal media like CNN.

Second term as the reality is the Democrats still do not have a candidate that can beat Trump in 20 and are now in a worse situation for impeachment(thats already failed in the Democrat-controlled House) than they were prior to this Mueller hearing.

 
Old 07-25-2019, 08:38 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Second term. Dems have been jousting the orange one for two plus years now and ending up in the dirt every time.

Random thought. (Normal people think this is easy math but the voter base of Dems seem to disagree.) Nominate someone purple voters will vote for to take the purple and maybe even a few light red states. This does not include someone raising their hand to give illegal aliens free health insurance.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Oh well, if JAY SEKULOW says so than it must be true. Which hearing in which parallel universe did you not watch, anyhow?

Chairman Jerry Nadler of the House Judiciary Committee was ready. The questions pointed and direct, and Mueller's answers were terse and brief:

CHAIRMAN NADLER: President Trump has said that your report completely exonerated him. But that is not what your report said, is it?

MUELLER: Correct, that is not what the report said.

NADLER: Did you totally exonerate the President?

MUELLER: No.

...

NADLER: Does that say that there was no obstruction?

MUELLER: No.

Nadler: Did you actually totally exonerate the president?

Mueller: No.

Nadler: In fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president.

Mueller: It does.


#MuellerHearings https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/ro...ss-2019-07-24/ ...

Bottom line, mind closed.
Thanks for that regurgitation, but I didn't need it (nice cut and paste job). I watched the entire hearing.

Perhaps you didn't watch, or weren't listening. The "big moment" (which you reference above) was when the "exoneration question" came up again later. Apparently, Nadler (who claims to have gone to law school) does not know that a prosecutor cannot and does not exonerate anybody. That isn't even a legal term. One is either "guilty" or "not guilty." A prosecutor must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If he can't (Mueller did not) he does not say, "But I can't exonerate him, either" Mueller had no case, and he knew it. Further, the investigators misapplied the law concerning "obstruction," claiming that somehow Trump committed obstruction by his Tweets, and by asking McGahn (if indeed he did) if he could fire Mueller. In fact, the President had the authority to fire Mueller if he wanted to. Mueller worked for him!. Asking the question isn't obstruction either.

As for Jay Sekulow, you must not know who he is. He is one of the best Constitutional lawyers there is, and has argued before the Supreme Court many times. As an aside, I have personally met Jay, many years ago when he spoke at our Church in Poway, CA. He is a kind man, and very smart. He knows the law, too, and I mentioned him in that regard. Rudy Giuliani agrees with him in his assessment of yesterday's disastrous (for the Democrats) hearing; the case is closed.

I have an open mind, but when it's clear there is no case, I'm not going to pretend that their still might be, as the Democrats are doing. This case is clearly closed. The case for impeachment is as dead as a door nail.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You can only get away w/ so much. We've seen a lot of deemed "untouchables" go down within the last few years. I think T is really walking on a slippery slope.
LOL!!! Seriously? And what is the "slippery slope?"
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Oh well, if JAY SEKULOW says so than it must be true. Which hearing in which parallel universe did you not watch, anyhow?

Chairman Jerry Nadler of the House Judiciary Committee was ready. The questions pointed and direct, and Mueller's answers were terse and brief:

CHAIRMAN NADLER: President Trump has said that your report completely exonerated him. But that is not what your report said, is it?

MUELLER: Correct, that is not what the report said.

NADLER: Did you totally exonerate the President?

MUELLER: No.

...

NADLER: Does that say that there was no obstruction?

MUELLER: No.

Nadler: Did you actually totally exonerate the president?

Mueller: No.

Nadler: In fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president.

Mueller: It does.


#MuellerHearings https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/ro...ss-2019-07-24/ ...

Bottom line, mind closed.
Can a prosecutor exonerate? Is it within a prosecutors scope of duty to exonerate?
No. That line of questioning is pointless.
What does a prosecutor do. Investigates crimes, Decide whether or not to instigate legal proceedings.
Did the prosecutor instigate legal proceedings?
No.
What crimes was the president charged with?
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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The occupier is delusional but still knows he has a bleak future once he leaves the White House. If Trump loses the election he will go on a Victory Tour to convince himself and his fools that he really won. That will run up a tremendous Secret Service tab. He will visit the Trump resorts and golf clubs across the planet and linger in someplace like Russia where he can't be extradited to the US.


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I'm still waiting for the Dems to charge Bush and Cheney for their supposed "war crimes" because that's what the Dems said back when impeachment against Bush failed.
Being Bush is his own punishment. He's pretty much a wasted person at this stage. Cheney got a heart transplant (most likely from a living victim) in 2012 so he can probably still be pursued legally for his torture related crimes...that's his specialty. The self-designation of Dick Cheney as Vice-President under (weak-minded) George W. Bush should be recognized as one of the turning points in US history.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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Yesterday's hearing made it clear that he can be prosecuted for his crimes once he leaves office. It's just that old 1970s DOJ policy that's keeping his head above water now.


Hey Old Gringo.



When are you going to eat your big dish of crow about being wrong on Russian Collusion?
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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If the Demonicraps put Trump in prison, it will confirm that we have devolved into a 3rd world nation that puts the opposing party in prison when they assume power...and don't think the Republicans won't return the favor to the next Demonicrap President.

Trump is guilty only of obstructing with the Demonicrats and FBI attempt to frame him for something he didn't do.
Why are liberals so mean? Why can't we get along? Why can't they be civil instead of evil meanies? \sarcasm
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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The occupier is delusional but still knows he has a bleak future once he leaves the White House. If Trump loses the election he will go on a Victory Tour to convince himself and his fools that he really won. That will run up a tremendous Secret Service tab. He will visit the Trump resorts and golf clubs across the planet and linger in someplace like Russia where he can't be extradited to the US.




Being Bush is his own punishment. He's pretty much a wasted person at this stage. Cheney got a heart transplant (most likely from a living victim) in 2012 so he can probably still be pursued legally for his torture related crimes...that's his specialty. The self-designation of Dick Cheney as Vice-President under (weak-minded) George W. Bush should be recognized as one of the turning points in US history.
Nevertheless the Dems in Congress said the very same thing then that they are saying now...basically "we'll get him after he leaves".

It nothing more than talk to sooth over their ruffled feathers.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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lol.
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