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Old 07-25-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
The one where tRump isn't a god and Fox News/hate radio aren't the only "news" outlets.

You?

Remember 2015-16, election forum? Good times. I’ll give you this- you stuck around.

Last edited by saltine; 07-25-2019 at 09:46 AM..

 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post

Agreed.

Trump is trying to spin this another way, but the facts are clear. If Trump were out of office the Department of Justice could prosecute him for his crimes, and get a conviction.

That Trump is a liar has never been in dispute, beginning with his first week in office when he started that kerfuffle about crowd sizes. He has ben misrepresenting the facts ever since.

After that first week Trump never again had a higher approval rating than his disapproval rating, he lost everyone in that first week. Trump does not have much chance staying out of jail. He will lose reelection and the Federal government and the states will prosecute him. He will spend many months shuttling from jail cells to courtrooms and back again.
There's simply not going to be any political will to pursue the matter in 2025. Trump will roll over the designated Dem pygmy in 2020, rendering your whole fevered, delirious scenario moot. It's clear that you have badly underestimated the power of incumbency, to the extent you may even understand the concept at all.

Did Obama face prosecution after his second term for using the IRS as his personal instrument of political leverage and revenge, which was also one of the articles of impeachment to be filed against Nixon? That's some banana republic stuff, all brought to you by the abject corruption of the Democrat Party.

Why, no, of course not. Don't be stupid. Nobody cared. Obama sailed scot-free off into the sunset.

Likewise...did Obama face prosecution for his abjectly corrupt 5th-world practice of demanding "donations" in the form of civil judgment settlements to be paid as tribute to his favored causes?

Why, no, of course not, although I know we'll both agree that, in and of itself, should have been enough to put Obama in leg irons and orange pajamas. Instead, Obama toddled off free as the proverbial bird, because there was zero political will to pursue him for his high crimes perpetrated while in office.

If anyone subsequently reviews these questionable obstruction of justice charges, they'll look at the treatment of the matter by Mueller himself, who declined to recommend any further action. If the charges didn't warrant action in 2019 (and we know they didn't, because Mueller declined to recommend any such action), then they obviously won't do so in 2025, when the only tortured souls who would even bother to waste the emotional energy on the matter are drooling, rabid Dems who gnaw madly on the edges of wooden tables as a means of keeping their irrational anger in check.

At the conclusion of his second term in January 2025, Trump, like Obama today, will become yesterday's concern. The news cycle will have moved on to the next President, and with it, your limited attention span.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hey Old Gringo.



When are you going to eat your big dish of crow about being wrong on Russian Collusion?
I'll just say this, Kitty:

Nine convictions.

 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:48 AM
Status: "She was warned yet STILL she persisted" (set 1 day ago)
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Thanks for that regurgitation, but I didn't need it (nice cut and paste job). I watched the entire hearing.

Perhaps you didn't watch, or weren't listening. The "big moment" (which you reference above) was when the "exoneration question" came up again later. Apparently, Nadler (who claims to have gone to law school) does not know that a prosecutor cannot and does not exonerate anybody. That isn't even a legal term. One is either "guilty" or "not guilty." A prosecutor must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If he can't (Mueller did not) he does not say, "But I can't exonerate him, either" Mueller had no case, and he knew it. Further, the investigators misapplied the law concerning "obstruction," claiming that somehow Trump committed obstruction by his Tweets, and by asking McGahn (if indeed he did) if he could fire Mueller. In fact, the President had the authority to fire Mueller if he wanted to. Mueller worked for him!. Asking the question isn't obstruction either.
This is what happens when one only gets info from Faux and shady characters like Sekulow who has been accused of siphoning off donations to a private charity to the tune of a cool $60 million which somehow showed up in Sekulow's personal bank account. Hmmmm...

If you had bothered to follow the actual hearing, you would know that Justice Department guidelines state that a sitting president cannot be indicted for a crime - that is the crux of the issue, not whether or not Mueller can or cannot "exonerate anybody." And no one ever said that tweets equal obstruction of justice, but ordering McGahn to fire Mueller so as to avoid investigation does. This is all documented in the Mueller Report which you were obviously to lazy to read and if you did actually watch the hearing, you didn't actually HEAR the hearing.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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That's the reality facing tRump now, and it appears that he's fully cognizant of it.

Yesterday's hearing made it clear that he can be prosecuted for his crimes once he leaves office. It's just that old 1970s DOJ policy that's keeping his head above water now.

Well, that and the most corrupt AG in history.

So, look for a very entertaining campaign ahead, folks.

It'll be down in the mud and slime for the Pubs as they do their damnedest to get tRump re-elected. The GOP has tied it's wagon to tRump 100% and they're now ready to follow him over the cliff.

"We'll see what happens."

A Hillary landslide was also the reality back in 2016. Lol
 
Old 07-25-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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A Hillary landslide was also the reality back in 2016. Lol
Just read an interesting article regarding the 2016 exit polling. Don't know if it will happen in my lifetime, but it will be proven that some machines were messed with.

The polling is much more methodical and sophisticated than most of us know.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Trump is horrible on most everything, but like Volo said, he'll never see a courtroom much less spend a night in the slammer. Every president in my lifetime has been guilty of jailable offenses and straight off the top, most if not all have been guilty of mass murder/ war crimes.
Seems being the CEO of America inc. is itself an escape from prosecution card.
Well, it seems to be easier that we might get Trump imprisoned after his POTUS term(s).
 
Old 07-25-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well, it seems to be easier that we might get Trump imprisoned after his POTUS term(s).
If he goes to jail in 2025 not a single person will care.
 
Old 07-25-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Trump Always WINNING!

OP: Are you read for him to WIN in 2020?
 
Old 07-25-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
That's the reality facing tRump now, and it appears that he's fully cognizant of it.

Yesterday's hearing made it clear that he can be prosecuted for his crimes once he leaves office. It's just that old 1970s DOJ policy that's keeping his head above water now.

Well, that and the most corrupt AG in history.

So, look for a very entertaining campaign ahead, folks.

It'll be down in the mud and slime for the Pubs as they do their damnedest to get tRump re-elected. The GOP has tied it's wagon to tRump 100% and they're now ready to follow him over the cliff.

"We'll see what happens."

Oh boy...
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