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Old Today, 08:34 AM
 
Location: USA
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Auto makers would have a very hard time making two different sets of vehicles for different markets. They decided to go with the left wing hippies instead of the right wing boor.

Rational decision by them. This of course means reducing choice of consumers not in CA, but life goes on. Not sure how you would build an F150 that gets 50 MPG. Ford's problem. Not mine.
We can also choose not to buy the new vehicles. People in California often modify their cars to bypass the emissions crap, then put back the original parts to pass inspection, then remove them again. A big Eff You to the overbearing, communist government there.
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Old Today, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Southeastern North Carolina
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Why does that idiot want to pollute the planet even more? His idiocy is enigmatic.
To stick it to the libs/Obama, of course. Damn those commie traitor auto companies for thwarting Hair Fuhrer's agenda! /s
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Old Today, 08:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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To stick it to the libs/Obama, of course. Damn those commie traitor auto companies for thwarting Hair Fuhrer's agenda! /s
You do realize that environmental regulation can become unreasonable, and counterproductive, not to mention OVERLY COSTLY, right?
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Old Today, 08:39 AM
 
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Well, you have to give Trump credit. He tried to cost us more, pollute more and make more money for the fossil fuel companies.

But it's not going to work because progress and productivity and efficiency will win the day! The Free Market Reigns, even as much as Trump tries to force it....

Canada, California and 4 major car markets are taking part in the initial part...

https://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/callback.html

24 State Govs signed on also - obviously representing a serious majority of US Auto Sales.

A Win for the Planet and Progress- a LOSE for Trumpians.

One more little piece of proof why we aren't seeing 10-15% in the stock market and a booming economy...Trump has no plan except "rollbacks" to pollute and cause more suffering. Companies need to have long term goals and plans to prosper.

My prediction is that the entire Auto market will climb on board if
1. The Trump admin doesn't change course
or
2. Trump get re-elected.

This pretty much puts his "dictatorial edicts" into the waste basket.
One fact that is undeniable is that Donald Trump only cares about his business cronies and big business, the Hell with things like the environment and technology. But, that is his IQ level. Being as dumb and uneducated as he is, he isn't able to grasp concepts like non polluting cars and factories. He still thinks coal is the wave of the future, for God's sake !

Glad to see these companies are willing to make changes, regardless of the cost, all in the name of social responsibility........something Trump has no idea about.
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Old Today, 08:42 AM
 
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Buried in the fine print is the fact that those four companies are probably closer to the 51 mpg thing than their main competitors, and getting the federal government to go back to forcing ALL automakers to go to 51 mpg helps those 4 automakers harm their respective competition.

No private company ever asks the government for more regulation unless it helps their bottom line. Occam's Razor, boys and girls. They want to harm their competition and grab bigger market share, and federal guidelines that they can meet and their competitors cannot, or at least not as profitably, are a fine way to do that.

Yeah...they care about the environment...sure they do.
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Old Today, 08:44 AM
 
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this article has some good insights.

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The “problem” — from the regulatory apparat’s point of view — is that the best-selling cars (and trucks and SUVs) are not cars like the Prius. The fines are the regulatory apparat’s attempt to get people to change their buying decisions; in plainer language — to countermand their buying decisions.

Trump may not have explicitly called the propriety of this into question — but his rescinding of the fines amounts to exactly that. And it’s high time.

Fuel efficiency is one of many attributes a vehicle can tout to prospective buyers. But it isn’t the only attribute of importance to many buyers — or even a primary one. People who buy larger or more powerful or capable vehicles value those attributes more — and are willing to pay for them. And for the fuel.

How is it the legitimate business of the government — in a free country — to punish people for making free choices?

If the market valued fuel-efficiency uber alles, then the car industry would cater to that market without being fined. Because that’s where the money would be.


Trump’s decision doesn’t say all of this openly. But it speaks it loudly.
https://www.insidesources.com/trump-pulls-cafes-teeth/
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Old Today, 08:47 AM
 
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Poor Deranged Trump Haters. Haven't learnt their lessons on telling us about Russian bogymen.
  • Trump removes excessive Obama federal fines on carmakers. Says, let the free market decide what to do.
  • So, now the Free Market Decides.
Trump wins again.





(even a caveman can figure out where the crazy is in this topic)


/thread
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Old Today, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Conservatives continue cleaning up the mess left by liberals... Here's the link.

Major automakers strike climate deal with California, rebuffing Trump's mileage freeze



News flash... free markets/capitalism allow people to collaborate and undertake projects on their own. The federal government is not necessary. If they can do this without government intervention and sustain it - you have my approval
Free market capitalism does not put the environment first, it’s profits. All this could have been avoided if they didn’t roll back the CAFE standards.
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Old Today, 08:48 AM
 
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All the companies are trying to do is comply with the California laws in order to SELL CARS. California can pass any laws they want, and it is a big enough market for companies to want to comply. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP. The OP is just has TDS dementia.
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Old Today, 08:51 AM
 
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Poor Deranged Trump Haters. Haven't learnt their lessons on telling us about Russian bogymen.
  • Trump removes excessive Obama federal fines on carmakers. Says, let the free market decide what to do.
  • So, now the Free Market Decides.
this is what the OP describes as trump 'trying to force it'
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