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Old Today, 08:52 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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We can also choose not to buy the new vehicles. People in California often modify their cars to bypass the emissions crap, then put back the original parts to pass inspection, then remove them again. A big Eff You to the overbearing, communist government there.
I understand. The better car companies seem to be abandoning the sub $30K market. Sorry a Hyundai is not equal in durability to a Ford nevermind a Honda.

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Buried in the fine print is the fact that those four companies are probably closer to the 51 mpg thing than their main competitors, and getting the federal government to go back to forcing ALL automakers to go to 51 mpg helps those 4 automakers harm their respective competition.

No private company ever asks the government for more regulation unless it helps their bottom line. Occam's Razor, boys and girls. They want to harm their competition and grab bigger market share, and federal guidelines that they can meet and their competitors cannot, or at least not as profitably, are a fine way to do that.

Yeah...they care about the environment...sure they do.
Not disagreeing.
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Old Today, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Buried in the fine print is the fact that those four companies are probably closer to the 51 mpg thing than their main competitors, and getting the federal government to go back to forcing ALL automakers to go to 51 mpg helps those 4 automakers harm their respective competition.

No private company ever asks the government for more regulation unless it helps their bottom line. Occam's Razor, boys and girls. They want to harm their competition and grab bigger market share, and federal guidelines that they can meet and their competitors cannot, or at least not as profitably, are a fine way to do that.

Yeah...they care about the environment...sure they do.
The manufacturers were against a complete roll back because it created uncertainty in the market, Trump cancelled the new standards without thinking ahead and speaking to the manufacturers.
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Old Today, 08:57 AM
 
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Auto makers would have a very hard time making two different sets of vehicles for different markets. They decided to go with the left wing hippies instead of the right wing boor.

Rational decision by them. This of course means reducing choice of consumers not in CA, but life goes on. Not sure how you would build an F150 that gets 50 MPG. Ford's problem. Not mine.
There used to be 49 state vehicles, and California vehicles....but (and I may be wrong) I believe that equipment difference stopped sometime in the 00s (2000s), if not before that.
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Old Today, 09:03 AM
 
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The manufacturers were against a complete roll back because it created uncertainty in the market, Trump cancelled the new standards without thinking ahead and speaking to the manufacturers.
It created uncertainty in their respective marketing and future development plans where their fleet of closer to 51 mpg vehicles was superior to that of their competitors who likely outsell them in other vehicle classes that their current 51+ mpg vehicles cannot make up for.

No company ever asked the government for more regulation unless it helped their own bottom line relative to the competition. Not ever, not even one time.

You cannot possibly be naive enough to believe otherwise.
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Old Today, 09:26 AM
 
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The manufacturers were against a complete roll back because it created uncertainty in the market, Trump cancelled the new standards without thinking ahead and speaking to the manufacturers.
Incorrect, as usual. But you might try to prove otherwise.
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Old Today, 09:37 AM
 
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Well, you have to give Trump credit. He tried to cost us more, pollute more and make more money for the fossil fuel companies.

But it's not going to work because progress and productivity and efficiency will win the day! The Free Market Reigns, even as much as Trump tries to force it....

Canada, California and 4 major car markets are taking part in the initial part...

https://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/callback.html

24 State Govs signed on also - obviously representing a serious majority of US Auto Sales.

A Win for the Planet and Progress- a LOSE for Trumpians.

One more little piece of proof why we aren't seeing 10-15% in the stock market and a booming economy...Trump has no plan except "rollbacks" to pollute and cause more suffering. Companies need to have long term goals and plans to prosper.

My prediction is that the entire Auto market will climb on board if
1. The Trump admin doesn't change course
or
2. Trump get re-elected.

This pretty much puts his "dictatorial edicts" into the waste basket.
I'd love to audit your life and show how much destruction you cause our environment.

Do you have any idea as to the amount of chemicals and heavy metals it took to make your phone?

Yeah, I guess your phone is much more important than the planet.
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Old Today, 10:03 AM
 
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I wonder how many customers will be able to afFORD the potentially more expensive fuel-efficient cars.
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Old Today, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Free market capitalism does not put the environment first, it’s profits. All this could have been avoided if they didn’t roll back the CAFE standards.
If they can put forth a quality product that supposedly does not harm the environment and make a profit - what's wrong with that? These are not mutually exclusive concepts here.


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I wonder how many customers will be able to afFORD the potentially more expensive fuel-efficient cars.
There the rub... in most cases, they can't make a profit off of it because it costs too much to make - so they use the strong arm of government to force people to buy it, or the they use the strong hand of government to collectively take money from the populace to subsidize the cost of the product and make purchase prices more reasonable.
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Old Today, 10:33 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Well, you have to give Trump credit. He tried to cost us more, pollute more and make more money for the fossil fuel companies.

But it's not going to work because progress and productivity and efficiency will win the day! The Free Market Reigns, even as much as Trump tries to force it....

Canada, California and 4 major car markets are taking part in the initial part...

https://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/callback.html

24 State Govs signed on also - obviously representing a serious majority of US Auto Sales.

A Win for the Planet and Progress- a LOSE for Trumpians.

One more little piece of proof why we aren't seeing 10-15% in the stock market and a booming economy...Trump has no plan except "rollbacks" to pollute and cause more suffering. Companies need to have long term goals and plans to prosper.

My prediction is that the entire Auto market will climb on board if
1. The Trump admin doesn't change course
or
2. Trump get re-elected.

This pretty much puts his "dictatorial edicts" into the waste basket.
Sounds like a great idea for the car makers and those states, but......

I was unaware that Trump forbid car companies to work on invitations for their vehicles or did something to force production of only cars that caused pollution. I must have slept through those announcements or news stories and still can’t find them. I hate when people demand links, so would you mind giving me hints as to where might I find them?
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Old Today, 11:55 AM
 
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I'd love to audit your life and show how much destruction you cause our environment.

Do you have any idea as to the amount of chemicals and heavy metals it took to make your phone?

Yeah, I guess your phone is much more important than the planet.
He has three residences. One in MA, one in RI, and one in FL.
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