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Old 07-25-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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How old are YOU? Just curious.
Probably older than you. As if that makes any difference. How old are YOU?

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And young people are going along with the anti-Israel stuff because it's trendy among liberals.
You insult an entire generation of people in thier 20s and 30s by saying they are too stupid to follow the news and form their own opinions. Why? Because they don't agree with YOU. Therefore, they MUST be stupid. Oh, and they are obviously anti-Semites, too. As is anyone who doesn't agree with you about Israel.

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Interesting how all,these protests on liberal campuses are focused on Israel while more egregious behavior committed by other countries (like Mynamar) is of no interest.
We aren't sending billions upon billions of dollars every year to Myanmar.

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Some young people are so brainwashed these days that some of them are saying that Israel is worse than ISIS! That type of ridiculous belief is driven by either ignorance or antisemitism.
Wow, you just can't stop talking how stupid you believe Millennials are, can you?
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Old 07-25-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Exactly. Being anti-Israel is the new liberal thing, and most young people are liberal. But they'll grow up.
I'm sure they thought Assad, Saddam, and Quadafi were bad too. The only problem is the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-queda, the Ayatollahs, and other Islamist were an order of magnitude worse. Young people are also more inclined to think favorably of Socialist and Communist these days too.

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Old 07-25-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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But we single them out for an unproportionate amount of support. It's not exactly apples to apples.
Do we though?

I mean, we give them a couple billion dollars, which they turn around and use to buy defense products from American manufacturers.

In return we get sharing of key intelligence, joint development of advanced weaponry and a friendly military ally in a hostile region.


We have also given the "Palestinian Authority" hundreds of millions per year (which is NOT spent on American military products), and we get nothing in return. And lord knows what the Palestinian Authorities actually spnd those funds on, because it's not infrastructure, schools or hospitals. Trump just cut them off.
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Old 07-25-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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Do we though?

I mean, we give them a couple billion dollars, which they turn around and use to buy defense products from American manufacturers.
A couple of billion? Try $38 billion. To contribute to the already bloated U.S. military industrial complex. Which parts of that should we cheer about?
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Do we though?

I mean, we give them a couple billion dollars, which they turn around and use to buy defense products from American manufacturers.

In return we get sharing of key intelligence, joint development of advanced weaponry and a friendly military ally in a hostile region.


We have also given the "Palestinian Authority" hundreds of millions per year (which is NOT spent on American military products), and we get nothing in return. And lord knows what the Palestinian Authorities actually spnd those funds on, because it's not infrastructure, schools or hospitals. Trump just cut them off.
Sharing? They donít share with us. We have no idea where their arsenal is located. They wonít tell us.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Israel behaves like a relic from the 20th century. Times have changed and nobody is impressed with the manner unto which they conduct themselves. The racism, hyper nationalism, and rampant militarism they exemplify is grotesque and outdated.
Let's be somewhat real.

"They" and there really is no they (Israel is unbelievable diverse in thought and opinion) were largely forced into their current situation.

As we have found out ourselves in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq and elsewhere...once the dogs of war are loose there is no such thing as planning accurately.

And so, they are the little engine that could...TRY. But there is no such thing as success in what they tried to accomplish. It's as far-away as Utopias and other such things.

If Israel does "what is natural", they will not exist any longer as what they intended to be. I'm not pimping for that...just saying.

Who are WE to tell them they are militaristic - after the millions dead in the conflicts I mentioned...let alone that we are STILL fighting some of them (including Korea).

This is the Big POT calling the tiny warming tin black.

If I were the Lord God I would appear and tell the Israelites (among who I can count myself) to come to the USA and, if they are truly interested, establish a state or territory like the Mormons did. But there is hardly a need here as I can promise them that the folks from nearby states aren't likely to round them up.

It's interesting that many who talk about "relics" probably read scriptures from 1,000's of years ago written by people who they don't even know about other than word of mouth.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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Not sure which this post reflects more of, ignorance or malevolence. Probably a combination of both.

First of all, you describe Likud as the "Zionist" party. This means you either know nothing about Israel or you know nothing about Zionism.
Do you even know what Zionism means? It's the "movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews, from the left to the right, are self-defined Zionists. And all Israeli parties are Zionist, across the political spectrum, except the Communist and Arab parties.
Ignorance of that is the benevolent interpretation. I'm afraid that you do know the definition of Zionism and you simply reject Israel's existence. Rejection of Israel's right to exist is often the true motivation behind Israel hater's attacks on this forum. And we know what lurks behind that.


You're right. But history shows that as people get older they live and learn. In many cases, hard leftism mellows with age and maturity.
The OP will not get the wish he(she) opines for so repeatedly. Sorry OP.
You are correct i misspoke i used Zionism for the likud party instead of just "rightwing" party...and i have read extensively on Zionism but its not really a "main: concern of mine...


my understanding is that the Jewish population within the US was divided between a sort of assimilation within the US AND an need for Israel...this division went so far as having to decide between the two and which was more important,,


even though i conclude at the end of my post that due to historical persecution an Israeli homeland is needed
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Let's be somewhat real.

"They" and there really is no they (Israel is unbelievable diverse in thought and opinion) were largely forced into their current situation.

As we have found out ourselves in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq and elsewhere...once the dogs of war are loose there is no such thing as planning accurately.

And so, they are the little engine that could...TRY. But there is no such thing as success in what they tried to accomplish. It's as far-away as Utopias and other such things.

If Israel does "what is natural", they will not exist any longer as what they intended to be. I'm not pimping for that...just saying.

Who are WE to tell them they are militaristic - after the millions dead in the conflicts I mentioned...let alone that we are STILL fighting some of them (including Korea).

This is the Big POT calling the tiny warming tin black.

If I were the Lord God I would appear and tell the Israelites (among who I can count myself) to come to the USA and, if they are truly interested, establish a state or territory like the Mormons did. But there is hardly a need here as I can promise them that the folks from nearby states aren't likely to round them up.

It's interesting that many who talk about "relics" probably read scriptures from 1,000's of years ago written by people who they don't even know about other than word of mouth.

German Zionist gave speeches in Germany during the 1930s that said a nation can only assimilate so many Jews...Adolphe Eichmann visited Palestine in the 1930s and is said to have said if he were born a jew he would be a Zionist any discussion of historical collaboration will get one the ant-semite label anymore..
i think Madagascar was discussed as a possible homeland and i am prone to think the assimilated jewish population of THIS country did push for assimilation within the US
but NO it was insisted that the new nation should be in HOSTILE country because of religious reasons
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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Sharing? They donít share with us. We have no idea where their arsenal is located. They wonít tell us.
"Sharing". Odd, I work in defense and work on Joint Israel US programs that greatly benefit both countries. Should we know where their munitions are stored
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:53 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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"Sharing". Odd, I work in defense and work on Joint Israel US programs that greatly benefit both countries. Should we know where their munitions are stored
How do these programs greatly benefit both countries?
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