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Old 07-26-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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When it was record cold last winter in Europe it was only weather.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It does serve to highlight a curious development, does it not?

Nations which are signatories to the Paris Climate Accords:
  1. France
  2. United Kingdom
  3. Germany
  4. Netherlands

Nations which are purportedly burning up due to alleged AGW:
  1. France
  2. United Kingdom
  3. Germany
  4. Netherlands


Nations which have withdrawn from the Paris Climate Accords:
  1. United States

Nations which are NOT burning up due to alleged AGW:
  1. United States

I'm seeing a fairly clear pattern here.
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Have you considered going back to school?
What a great idea. Milton could certainly teach brain dead liberals the differences between reality and "feelngs and wishes"..
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:24 PM
 
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Have you considered going back to school?
Not really. Been there, done that. I ran out of wall space to hang university sheepskins a long time ago.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Online
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
Dang! Charles Dickens is going to be pissed. First we see that London only get an inch of snow annually and now it's this freaking hot. This is nothing like his novels. Was he lying? How are his readers to imagine all those fancy London attire?
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Old 07-26-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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No not really, just better CAFE standards and more restrictions on coal fired plants.


I know that would be a brutal change,
Coal is what's being targeted. I just heard Texas wind energy just passed coal. As for regulations of cars, it is common sense to keep the air as clean as possible, but a few cruises and cargo ships pollute more than millions of cars.

Back to coal. By far China is the biggest consumer and that is why it is being targeted.

The top oil producers are the USA, Saudi Arabia and Russia. The top gas producers are the USA followed by Russia. These two (oil and gas) will continue to pollute at a higher rate. It is all about economic advantages, and using politics to help the cause, nothing to do with the environment. One of the means is control of energy.

As for those people who think it's only a liberal policy, they are in for a surprise when rich conservatives jump in the bandwagon. I wonder what propaganda is going to be fed to them as it is clear to them that 'saving the earth' is nothing but lies.
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Old Yesterday, 04:49 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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no, science did not predict a coming ice age in the 70s. That was the media....The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.

The history of climate science.... https://www.climate.gov/teaching/res...red-be-ice-age
So once again a flawed messenger? And you wonder why so many struggle to buy into it?

My House in the states used a Ground source heat pump. It was an amazing system when I bought it. Looked like something that belonged on the starship Enterprise.

Had a back up propane generator in case of power outage and I had a lot of those in the sticks.

I am a conservative independent. I hate waste. I was recycling with my kids in the early 90's. I didn't do the community recycling because there was no incentive. I did my own and kept the money.
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Old Yesterday, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Milton Miteybad View Post
It does serve to highlight a curious development, does it not?

Nations which are purportedly burning up due to alleged AGW:
  1. France
  2. United Kingdom
  3. Germany
  4. Netherlands


Nations which have withdrawn from the Paris Climate Accords:
  1. United States

Nations which are NOT burning up due to alleged AGW:
  1. United States

I'm seeing a fairly clear pattern here.
The UK has a few days of hot weather but is not burning up, and the summer overall has been mild and cool.

The US has been mosre more effected in terms of hurricanes and many other such dangewrous weather conditions.
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Old Yesterday, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Perhaps people who don't understand man's impact on CO2 levels and why the world's scientists talk about man made climate change should actually take the time to look at the scientific papers. Of course, they would never do THAT so

a simple explanation can be found here on NASA's web page:

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_res...arbon-dioxide/


I'm sure we'd all be happy to hear from posters who would like to argue with the scientists at NASA. And please- forget the conspiracy theories. Argue the scientific evidence.
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OK, there is no global temperature record predating the satellite era.

Surface temperatures are, in fact, the end result of countless independent and varying factors.

CO2 is one of those factors, in theory, but in reality, there doesn't appear to be a direct correlation.

Past temperature swings (Little Ice Age, Medieval Warming Period, etc.) came and went without a significant change to CO2 levels.

Should be a more or less linear relationship between CO2 and surface temperature with an increase/decrease in carbon content preceding the temperature swing, but that relationship doesn't seem to exist.

If you can't name the specific drivers of surface temperature in play then, you can't rule them out now.

Obviously, H2O plays a far more important role than anything else, but it isn't often mentioned.

Cloud cover, along with many other factors, has a huge impact on surface temperature, but you can't tax a cloud, so it isn't discussed.
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There actually is a temperature record predating satellites.


There doesn't appear to be a correlation between CO2 and warming, according to what scientific study. Its not always linear but there is certainly a correlation. What scientist indicated it has to be linear.


H2O is always mentioned, its not a driver its a result. Science indicates warmer temperatures from increased CO2 result in increased moisture in our atmosphere.


Do you have a source to back up all your claims or are these just your random thoughts.

Changes in CO2 levels are usually assumed to be among the dominant mechanisms driving such long-term climate change (29). It is therefore interesting to ask what, if any, correspondence exists between ancient climate and the estimate of pCO2 in Fig. 4. The gray bars at the top of Fig. 4 correspond to the periods when the global climate was cool; the intervening white space corresponds to the warm modes (18). The most recent cool period corresponds to relatively low CO2 levels, as is widely expected (30). However, no correspondence between pCO2 and climate is evident in the remainder of the record, in part because the apparent 100 My cycle of the pCO2 record does not match the longer climatic cycle. The lack of correlation remains if one calculates the change in average global surface temperature resulting from changes in pCO2 and the solar constant using energy-balance arguments

https://www.pnas.org/content/99/7/4167


Where I'm seated here in south-eastern Michigan, ice sheets stood more than a mile high just 20,000 years ago.

That's not a random thought.

It's a fact.

If you doubt that, Google Bering Land Bridge, and then check out what the fossil record has to say about co2 before, during and after peak glaciation.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere didn't decline before glaciation peaked and it didn't increase before the glaciers melted.

In the Earth's more distant past, co2 concentrations were tens of times higher than the present 400 ppm, but the surface temperature was not significantly higher during these periods.

The relationship between CO2 and surface temperature, if one exists at all, is clearly politicized and overstated.
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Old Yesterday, 06:46 AM
 
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no, science did not predict a coming ice age in the 70s.
All of these guys are climate scientists...

Pat Bushnell
Dr. James Hayes
Dr. Chester Langway
Dr. Gifford Miller
Dr. Stephen Schneider

...and they got together to produce this documentary...in 1978

The Coming Ice Age......"Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGB5MMIAVA
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Old Yesterday, 06:54 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
Because there has never been heat waves, property damage and crop loss due to storms and drought until recently. What records from over hundreds of years are you comparing the weather now to?
At least the Kool-aid will keep you hydrated.
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