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Old 07-25-2019, 03:37 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I think what the comments here show us, more than anything is that people are so tuned into one argument, they cannot accept any criticism at all. My statement in no way suggests I do not believe in climate change. It suggests, that the way it was presented here is not helpful to the cause and is no different from someone who does not believe in it arguing, "Look, it's cold today, so there must not be climate change." Both statements are ludicrous.

This is a good example of how people across the spectrum have become so narrow-minded in their focus, they cannot read a post without automatically categorizing it into one side or the other.
I actually do agree with this believe it or not.
The temperature "evidence" is not support for climate change.

I do believe that climate change, and that man-made climate change, is a thing, however.

Here is my next question: for those who think it is "possible" that climate change is man-made, even if you are not 100% on board with the idea, why not err on the side of caution? Why not do everything you can? It's not that big of a deal to throw your empty wine bottles in a separate bin, or trade your 1980 Ford F250 in for a Focus, is it? If there is only a 1% chance that doing these things mean that your grandkids get to have an earth to live on, then why not?
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Old 07-25-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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I wish people would quote it all when they post...

"Paris/London - Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday, as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

As a cauldron of hot air from the Sahara desert moved across the continent, drawn northwards by high pressure, Paris saw its highest temperature since records began and Britain reported its hottest weather for the month of July."

"The mercury in Paris touched 42.6 C in mid-afternoon, above the previous Paris record of 40.4 C recorded in July 1947."

This is just the record for this one day...

6 days earlier ...115 years sooner.......July 19, 1904......it was hotter......42.8C
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Nobody disputes Climate Change.
Oh yeah? 10 years ago the right wingers said there was no climate change and the scientists were just making all this stuff up to get grant money.

Nowadays it's "nobody disputes climate change..............but it's not man made" because the previous canard looks ridiculous anymore.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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OK, 108 is hot.


Solution?


And don't say, we're going to take rich people's money and distribute it as we see fit.
>>>> More like don't say we're going to take poor peoples money and distribute it to the obscenely rich as we see fit. That's the carbon tax.

Meanwhile the southern US is enjoying some early autumn like weather. Yeah... weather. Hot weather in Europe, cool weather here.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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To go along with this news, during the one year period up to May of this year, the total rain fall in the lower 48 states just set a new record. There has been widespread flooding of the Mississippi valley. I can't imagine what the bill is going to be to fix all the damage.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-wat...s-in-125-years

A twelve-month period: that's not weather, that's climate. There are those who may not believe in climate change, but they're still going to be paying for all the increasing number of emergencies that keep coming and coming.
Figure in all the screwed up levees the Corp of Engineers has installed and the thousands of acres that have been paved/concreted so the water can't soak in and moves faster, and I believe you will find the causes for increased flooding. As far as the bill, many of the homes were built right back where it flooded in 1993 and 2011. Quit selling flood insurance for those places.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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>>>> More like don't say we're going to take poor peoples money and distribute it to the obscenely rich as we see fit. That's the carbon tax.

Meanwhile the southern US is enjoying some early autumn like weather. Yeah... weather. Hot weather in Europe, cool weather here.
Oklahoma City had a record low of 60 Wednesday morning. Temps have been below normal for a year there.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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More attributable to solar flares, sun-spots and the like than anything man has done.


Socialism on a global scale: steal from the makers/haves, redistribute to the 3rd world hell-holes, and help yourself to a healthy dip as the pot of money goes by. All the while taking private planes to the next AGW conference and keeping your mansion at 67 degrees all summer.


Altering the data until it matches your presumed outcome IS NOT science.
By George..... I think he's got it!
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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Oh yeah? 10 years ago the right wingers said there was no climate change and the scientists were just making all this stuff up to get grant money.

Nowadays it's "nobody disputes climate change..............but it's not man made" because the previous canard looks ridiculous anymore.
I donít think many of us posting here deny climate change. That doesnít mean there isnít corruption within the community. If one can question the motives of scientists working in energy, with chemicals, with GMOs, etc, I find it reasonable to apply the same standard to climate science. All people are fallible and all are self-interested.

To accept anything without questioning it is not free-thinking - itís the equivalent of religious fundamentalism. So again, itís not necessarily black and white, and itís legitimate to question everything.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I actually do agree with this believe it or not.
The temperature "evidence" is not support for climate change.

I do believe that climate change, and that man-made climate change, is a thing, however.

Here is my next question: for those who think it is "possible" that climate change is man-made, even if you are not 100% on board with the idea, why not err on the side of caution? Why not do everything you can? It's not that big of a deal to throw your empty wine bottles in a separate bin, or trade your 1980 Ford F250 in for a Focus, is it? If there is only a 1% chance that doing these things mean that your grandkids get to have an earth to live on, then why not?
This I agree with. Reduce / re-use / recycle. Do what you can.
But it has to start with the elites. Do you know how ridiculous these people look, in their mansions and private jets, telling everyone else what to do?
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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....right winger......
And there you go, folks.

Climate Change /= Environmental Statement

Climate Change = Left wing talking point.

Nothing else. The OP is exactly the same.
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