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Old 07-25-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
I am not disputing one way or another that climate change is man-made. That said, because it is hot doesn't mean there is a causation link that it is man-made.

That statement is equivalent to someone who would say, "Look, it's cold outside, so there must not be climate change occurring."

Surely you see the fallacy of your statement, right?
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
OK, 108 is hot.


Solution?


And don't say, we're going to take rich people's money and distribute it as we see fit.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
Yes, very strange, indeed, that anyone can dispute this.
I understand differences in opinion over how immigration, abortion, economy, et al, should be handled, but it baffles me that anyone says that man made climate change is not real. Even without the scientific data, it is obvious to me how different the climate is over the years of my life, as a layperson's observation.
I'd love to hear from people who do not believe it and why?
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:01 AM
 
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and in the 14th century Europe experienced an ice age which extended into the 19th century....


so Europe now experiences a heat wave.....


governments have zero control over the climate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - "Soaring temperatures broke records in Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands on Thursday as a heatwave gripped Europe for the second time in a month, in what scientists said were becoming more frequent events as the planet heats up.

“There is a 40-50% chance that this will be the warmest July on record. This heatwave is exactly in line with climate change predictions,” said Dr Karsten Haustein at the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford.

Peter Inness, senior research fellow at the University of Reading, said: “The fact that so many recent years have had very high summer temperatures both globally and across Europe is very much in line with what we expect from man-made global warming.”

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108 F in Paris. Absolutely unheard of. Manmade climate change is no longer an abstract concept, it is here, it is now, and it's causing tremendous property damage, lost crops and deaths worldwide with increasing frequency.
108 in Paris is weather, not climate. The average surface temperature on earth has only increased 1 degree since 1860.
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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Yes, very strange, indeed, that anyone can dispute this.
I understand differences in opinion over how immigration, abortion, economy, et al, should be handled, but it baffles me that anyone says that man made climate change is not real. Even without the scientific data, it is obvious to me how different the climate is over the years of my life, as a layperson's observation.
I'd love to hear from people who do not believe it and why?

The global deniers will be unfazed. It’s their political dogma and not open to scientific methodology or reason. The wealthy elites who fund and propagandize denial will become richer and richer and use their wealth and power and move to the last places on earth which are habitable. For the rest of us things are going to be problematic.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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I am not disputing one way or another that climate change is man-made. That said, because it is hot doesn't mean there is a causation link that it is man-made.

That statement is equivalent to someone who would say, "Look, it's cold outside, so there must not be climate change occurring."

Surely you see the fallacy of your statement, right?
No, there's no fallacy. Climate change causes an increase in wild weather extremes -- whether it's hotter summers, wetter rains, deeper floods, heavier snows or drier droughts.

In the past scientists said that single weather events could not be said to be caused by climate change. That's changing. There's a new branch of climatology called Climate Attribution where rigorous analysis is performed to do determine if a certain extreme weather event is caused by climate change and to what extent.

The north polar ice is rapidly disappearing, the oceans are warming and rising. It's having a profound effect on all of our weather.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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No, there's no fallacy. Climate change causes an increase in wild weather extremes -- whether it's hotter summers, wetter rains, deeper floods, heavier snows or drier droughts.

In the past scientists said that single weather events could not be said to be caused by climate change. That's changing. There's a new branch of climatology called Climate Attribution where rigorous analysis is performed to do determine if a certain extreme weather event is caused by climate change and to what extent.

The north polar ice is rapidly disappearing, the oceans are warming and rising. It's having a profound effect on all of our weather.
Stating that it is hot and therefore it must be man-made is a fallacy indeed. You would need to support that assertion with data showing that there is direct causation.

I'm not disputing whether climate change is real one way or the other with my argument here, but that is the exact same argument that people make when they say, "Look it's a cold day, so climate change must not be real."
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:45 PM
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Take heart, the first casualty will likely be the Gulf Coast which is mostly populated by anti-environmentalists. There's a rich irony in that.
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