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Old Today, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Complaining about the government taking 23 days to get at the truth, when the mother lied, is terribly naive.

When people encounter issues even when they've done nothing illegal, it can take the government YEARS to look into the matter and straighten it out.

The OP is acting like the government is suddenly expeditious in its processes. The only thing they're quick at is going after people who don't pay their taxes, and even that takes time.
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Old Today, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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"almost" keyword

Should have done it and stop complaining.
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Old Today, 11:40 AM
 
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Complaining about the government taking 23 days to get at the truth, when the mother lied, is terribly naive.

When people encounter issues even when they've done nothing illegal, it can take the government YEARS to look into the matter and straighten it out.

The OP is acting like the government is suddenly expeditious in its processes. The only thing they're quick at is going after people who don't pay their taxes, and even that takes time.
However long it takes the government to investigate, detaining a US citizen without a warrant, without allowing that US citizen to consult an attorney, for weeks, is a violation of that US citizen's rights. Period.
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Old Today, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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However long it takes the government to investigate, detaining a US citizen without a warrant, without allowing that US citizen to consult an attorney, for weeks, is a violation of that US citizen's rights. Period.
Except they first had to look into which document was factual in order to ascertain whether he was a citizen or not. The mother lying is what muddled the issue.

You folks never blame people for breaking the law. It's always the fault of whatever politician you have in your cross hairs.
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Old Today, 11:56 AM
 
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Except they first had to look into which document was factual in order to ascertain whether he was a citizen or not. The mother lying is what muddled the issue.

You folks never blame people for breaking the law. It's always the fault of whatever politician you have in your cross hairs.
No. Whether the mother muddled the issue is irrelevant. This was a US citizen. He was detained, without a warrant for weeks. He was denied an attorney. These are violations of his rights as a US citizen. ICE and CBP can make excuses 'til the cows come home, but the facts are undeniable. He was a US citizen whose rights were violated. Period.
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Old Today, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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No. Whether the mother muddled the issue is irrelevant. This was a US citizen. He was detained, without a warrant for weeks. He was denied an attorney. These are violations of his rights as a US citizen. ICE and CBP can make excuses 'til the cows come home, but the facts are undeniable. He was a US citizen whose rights were violated. Period.
You keep repeating he was a US Citizen. When they detained him, they didn't know that.

You seem to be ignoring the key points of why this confusion existed. Go back and read the thread again instead of repeating 'he was a US citizen' as though that was information they had from the start. They didn't.
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Old Today, 12:03 PM
 
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You keep repeating he was a US Citizen. When they detained him, they didn't know that.

You seem to be ignoring the key points of why this confusion existed. Go back and read the thread again instead of repeating 'he was a US citizen' as though that was information they had from the start. They didn't.
They didn't know. But when he asserted it, they should have assumed it, and afforded him his rights. I'm ignoring your excuses, because they are just excuses. For violating the rights of an American citizen. As soon as he stated he was a US citizen, he should have had access to counsel. Those ARE his rights. He IS an AMERICAN. Period.
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Old Today, 12:08 PM
 
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They didn't know. But when he asserted it, they should have assumed it, and afforded him his rights. I'm ignoring your excuses, because they are just excuses. For violating the rights of an American citizen. As soon as he stated he was a US citizen, he should have had access to counsel. Those ARE his rights. He IS an AMERICAN. Period.
Why? His mother is a liar and he's got a record of fraud tied to his record due to his mother's actions, why should CBP trust anything about him?
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Old Today, 12:09 PM
 
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The moral of this story is don't associate with and ride around with illegal aliens from Mexico near border patrol checkpoints and don't have an ignorant illegal alien mother who lies about where you were born on federal documents.
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Old Today, 12:12 PM
 
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Why? His mother is a liar and he's got a record of fraud tied to his record due to his mother's actions, why should CBP trust anything about him?
Because he is a US Citizen.

What you're suggesting is that the federal government can ignore an American citizen's rights when it suits the government. And I'm saying that if the federal government ignores an American citizen's rights, the federal government (or any branch of the government for that matter) is wrong. Americans have rights. Those rights have been established and upheld for centuries. And the federal government should respect those rights. Period.
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