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Old 07-26-2019, 07:48 PM
 
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Give me 50k and I will vote for anyone you want me to.
I'd do it for $50 as $50 benefits me more than my one measly vote does.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:00 PM
 
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If in the 2020 general election, you were going to vote for Candidate A and I offered you $1 to vote for Candidate B, would you accept the offer?
If no, how about $5? $10? $50?
Would it make a difference if it was a local election, say for a councilman or small town mayor or bond measure to raise money for roads?
Do you actually think there are people who wouldn't accept this offer for $1M?
Sorry, but you are naive.

Please - watch some of the documentaries on Cambridge Analytica. All your questions can be answered.

It's not a question of paying people. It's simply identifying, through the 5,000 data points they collected on each and every American, who is "clueless" (they use the word "persuadable" and then bombarding them with customized purchased ads based on their exact fears.

That one effort was spending a million per day on Facebook alone...but that was a tiny portion of the total spent for everything.

It's a simple calculus. We know Florida was lost (by GW, actually) by maybe 2,000 or so votes (the Pat Buchanan Butterfly ballot), but either way it was as close as 1,000 people changing their votes either way.

If you find those particular people - or ANY 1,000 people - in a state where things are that close, and you "gave" them each a million dollars, that would be less than what is spent on a major election cycle.

For well less than $100 each, you can change a vote....maybe $10! So at $100, if you invested even as little as one million IN AN ENTIRE STATE, you could swing the election.

And that is exactly how it worked with CA in 2016 and also in Brexit.

If you have interest in this watch The Great Hack on Netflix. Might be boring to some, but at least it will answer your question about buying votes. You buy them with fear and knowing exactly who a person is. If they are scared of X, you target them with scary pics and lies about X, and so on.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:12 PM
 
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I would take the money and vote for whom I want. If, theoretically there was a way you could verify my vote for the money, if still do it for $1 million, since one vote is not relevant. Let the others go on about character. I’m in this fir myself, which is also why we should vote for whom ever is best for ourselves.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Out West
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My vote couldn't be bought for a penny but it's hard to believe people actually write "no amount of money could buy my vote". People overestimate their supposed "values" and "ethics". Only a fool wouldn't accept a million for one meaningless presidential general election vote - especially since part of that million could go a lot further promoting his political desire than his one vote would.
If I was in a swing state, my answer would be different. However, I'm in CA - as I said, me voting a right leaning ticket doesn't do anything, so sure, hand me a million dollars when the outcome will end up the same anyway.
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Old Yesterday, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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Votes are as good as bought every election by our political parties promising "goodies" that appeal to their base.
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I'd be happy to take your money, give it to charity and vote the way I want to. Are you going to sue me? That would be funny.

Yep. Since votes are very private, there is no way the bribe payee would know who I voted for. Sure, I would take the money. Gladly. I need a new truck and a fishing boat. I might give part of it to charity, if I could find one I thought was worthy.
Since it will never happen, it is a non-issue. We can all say whatever we want, but it is all meaningless, and proves nothing.
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Old Yesterday, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Votes are as good as bought every election by our political parties promising "goodies" that appeal to their base.

Yep, TRUE, that!
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Old Yesterday, 11:00 AM
 
Location: NJ
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If in the 2020 general election, you were going to vote for Candidate A and I offered you $1 to vote for Candidate B, would you accept the offer?
If no, how about $5? $10? $50?
Would it make a difference if it was a local election, say for a councilman or small town mayor or bond measure to raise money for roads?
Do you actually think there are people who wouldn't accept this offer for $1M?
my vote can be negated by an illegal alien's vote, as the democrats encourage voter fraud
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Old Yesterday, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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Do you actually think there are people who wouldn't accept this offer for $1M?
There are people who would accept the offer for a pack of cigs. Happened all the time back in the bad ole' days.

That said, most peoples votes are bought and paid for even if not directly.
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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My first vote or two will always be dictated by my core beliefs, but I'd be willing to cast a couple after that for $100 each.
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