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Old Yesterday, 06:12 AM
 
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If Trump tells his base something completely different than the numbers show, they will believe him over the evidence right in front of them.
I see now how demagogues or worse get their followers to believe absolutely anything all the way to the final solution if you know what I mean......
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Old Yesterday, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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If the economy slows down, you wanna bet that conservatives will finally start attributing the economy to President Obama.

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Old Yesterday, 07:01 AM
 
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which is it, 40%? 50%? 70%? or 10%?


In any case the government is not responsible for any individuals poor personal budgeting decisions--the individual should be as there are plenty of opportunities out there to get some in demand skills and a very in demand job market since unemployment is so low.
My other threads started with 40% National.

I know it is 46% in Florida (I volunteer there - some with these population).

Another poster put up a figure of 78% that are living month to month.

Therefore I threw them all out there. A good guess is about 1/2 of all Americans.

Once again, the tendency of certain people to "blame it on the poor" is evident. This has been going on in this country since long ago. Nothing new.

It seems people forget about those "little nuances" like the Great Recession which the vast majority of these people had zero to do with and yet stripped opportunities from millions in various ways!

The same goes for many policies. Education is cut while corporations and billionaire get tax cuts.

THEN, folks like you state that everyone has opportunity. They do. To win the lottery if they play. But the actual results - 100 million plus of your Fellow Americans having financial insecurities (health care or retirement or even paying the bills each month) is an indication of something.

The unemployment myth is broken just as the trickle down one was. Unemployment is "low" by all normal measurements but wages have not increased as they should. The Employer is, as always, setting the tune. They may have to pay $11 an hour instead of $8 an hour, but when you drown it doesn't matter whether you drown in 8 feet of water or 200. Not a bit.
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Old Yesterday, 07:02 AM
 
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I see now how demagogues or worse get their followers to believe absolutely anything all the way to the final solution if you know what I mean......
You have to give the final solution more credit here because most didn't know anything about it. In these present cases many speaking and acting against Americans DO KNOW.

So it is true brainwashing.
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Old Yesterday, 07:05 AM
 
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If the economy slows down, you wanna bet that conservatives will finally start attributing the economy to President Obama.

Just like the right will blame dems for Trump's trillion dollar annual deficits.

They blamed Obama for Bush's great recession and ridiculous deficits
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Old Yesterday, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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5.5% decline in business investment! That is quite massive and goes right along with the manufacturing (purchasing manager, etc.) low numbers.

Of course, GDP and all that means nothing to the 3/4 or more of Americans who are not making it....or just barely doing so.

Nothing has changed...except perhaps that the long term prognosis is worse than ever. Even investors like myself have made almost nothing since Trump signed his great "tax reform" and started messing with tariff and trade threats.

I guess his definition of "winning so much you will get tired of winning" differs from mine.

If 3/4 or more Americans are not "making it" it is for the most part....their fault!

If, as an investor, you have made nothing since the tax reform, perhaps you should rethink your investment strategies as I've done pretty well (you should have bought Apple, Microsoft and amazon!

I am against the tariffs as they are merely a tax on the consumer...I'd like to see them go.
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Old Yesterday, 07:44 AM
 
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I am against the tariffs as they are merely a tax on the consumer...I'd like to see them go.
Any sane conservative/republican would. But the days of the sane GOP are long gone
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Old Yesterday, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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Just like the right will blame dems for Trump's trillion dollar annual deficits.

They blamed Obama for Bush's great recession and ridiculous deficits
The deficits are on Trump and Congress.
Nobody blamed Obama for the "great recession" but the Dems can take some responsibility for the deficits!
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Old Yesterday, 08:20 AM
 
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The deficits are on Trump and Congress.
Nobody blamed Obama for the "great recession" but the Dems can take some responsibility for the deficits!
Dems didn't pass the biggest tax cut in generations without paying for it. Not during dubya and not during Trump
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Old Yesterday, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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As I've often stated, I don't believe an advanced mature 4th Level Economy is capable of growth in excess of 3%, so it's no surprise to me.
If you believe anything said by Trump, you probably own two time shares and a vacation club membership.
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