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Old Yesterday, 11:05 AM
 
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Another reason electric vehicles make sense... Electric motors can be more than 90% efficient and even up to 98% efficient while combustion engines are 30 to 45% efficient....

https://www.quora.com/How-energy-eff...ustion-engines

More info re-EVs... https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...ctric-car.html
If they make sense there is no reason for govt. incentivize them. Reality is they don't, and once any tax credit disappears so will sales.
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Old Yesterday, 11:22 AM
 
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Future..future....we will solve all the global warming problems in the future.

How about we do it NOW??

Reducing the speed limit back to 55 MPH reduces CO2 emissions by 30%. Add to that a reduction of jet travel to 1970's levels......and we can start addressing the problem without new taxes or pipe dreams.

Every Governor can TOMORROW reduce the speed limit on ALL roads in their states by executive order. Don't need legislation, don't need President Trump, don't need the Senate.

Let's just do it. Go back to 55 MPH!!! Reduce jet travel.

Back in 1973, the Republican governors of Washington, Oregon, and California did it overnight when the energy crises. For good measure they turned out the streetlights and required businesses to turn off their lights when closed.

Clearly, the Democrat governors of Washington, Oregon, and California ALL are focused on global warming.

Write them...and urge them to do it TODAY. BTW....we have lots of 55 MPH signs in storage!!
I will not reduce my traveling in my Cheyenne II. I will burn as much jet fuel as I please.
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Old Yesterday, 02:32 PM
 
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IMO, cap and trade should be given another chance. It is the best idea on how to apply government regulation to ever come out of the conservative think tanks.

So good it is that the Democrats co-opted it as their path to cleaner energy during the Obama Administration.

So good it is that conservatives sunk it to prevent a guaranteed victory for said administration.


It's idiocy that only serves to redistribute money- something only a democrat would love.


CO2 is not a pollutant- this is the biggest hoax in the history of man and opposes rational science.


The evil of AGW is that it diverts funds from real problems and wastes massive resources.
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Old Yesterday, 02:35 PM
 
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It wont pass the senate. Even if he somehow did Trump would veto it. Next!!
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Old Yesterday, 02:59 PM
 
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For now.

The difference is that China and India know they are part of the problem, and are investing heavily in wind and solar.

Firstly they don't have the resources , they will burn through their domestic supply in 3 or 4 decades. In that time frame they will have burned as much as we might in 150 to 200 years. Secondly there is no slow down in coal consumption there. Ironically one thing that will be keeping them in check is Trump's tariffs.

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Old Yesterday, 03:05 PM
 
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I will not reduce my traveling in my Cheyenne II. I will burn as much jet fuel as I please.
Holy crap. That's a serious ride, and those P&W's get thirsty. I assumed you had a Cessna 310, which ain't now slouch either. I'm OK burning my 10 GPH going 135 KTAS.
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Old Yesterday, 03:12 PM
 
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Another reason electric vehicles make sense... Electric motors can be more than 90% efficient and even up to 98% efficient while combustion engines are 30 to 45% efficient....

That is not a proper comparison because efficiency hit for electric comes at the power plant and transmission. The newest combined cylce gas plants operated nearly constantly might be something like 60% but when you throw wind and solar into the mix plants do not achieve that because they are being operated sporadically. Then there is the efficiency hit during transmission. There is always more power on the grid and once again because of the sporadic nature of renewables this becomes more difficult to manage leaving more power on the grid than we need.


Just a quick tip about that Quora site, it's about as useful as wet toilet paper.
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Old Yesterday, 03:26 PM
 
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We may have centuries of supply, but not centuries of time. You may want to burn yourself to Hell, but I don't want to come with you. That's why I give clean energy the benefit of the doubt.

Also, there are efficiency issues with fossil fuels. Smart people have figured out how to deal with many of them. The same is happening with clean energy.
And the answer these people propose isn't banning emissions, but charging a fee that will be passed on to consumers.

If a politician said it was a fact a certain candy was poisoning children, would you accept him saying the solution is to place a tax on poisoned candy to help fix the problem?

This is just a tax scheme.
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Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That is not a proper comparison because efficiency hit for electric comes at the power plant and transmission. The newest combined cylce gas plants operated nearly constantly might be something like 60% but when you throw wind and solar into the mix plants do not achieve that because they are being operated sporadically. Then there is the efficiency hit during transmission. There is always more power on the grid and once again because of the sporadic nature of renewables this becomes more difficult to manage leaving more power on the grid than we need.


Just a quick tip about that Quora site, it's about as useful as wet toilet paper.
Quota has more dumbasses than this place does and, unbelievably, even more conspiracy theorists. It can be a scary place.
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Old Yesterday, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You mean consumers need to pay for those import taxes, right?

Carbon tax on US manufacturing good!

Tax on Chinese imports bad!
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